Garngaboch, East Monklands

Lorna Allison · Post by **Lorna Allison** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:58 pm

Hello All

I shall try all of that when I get back early evening Andrew. I think I may have to send the whole 3 pages if I do it direct from SP so look out, it may well be winging its way to you by email

By the way, looking up the Garngibboch family I found that one of the marriages is shown on a page from the monthly church accounts. Is that usual - I have never seen it before. It shows that they had to pay 3/6d. for the proclamations, lists the mortcloths (4/- for an adult and 6d. for a child) and 5/- for a baptism. Quite dear I thought. I should be able to get the name of the church from the records in Edinburgh if I give the reference, right?

Don't know about a good place to have a holiday Alan - I have just found Garngibboch House on my Glasgow Street Atlas (unbelievably it covers all of Lanarkshire with a few extraneous bits beside) and Blairlinn Industrial Estate is just along the road. Maybe better to avoid the central belt when you are booking up! I do feel a day visit hoving onto the horizon though.

Regards

Lorna

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:11 pm

Lorna Allison wrote:By the way, looking up the Garngibboch family I found that one of the marriages is shown on a page from the monthly church accounts. Is that usual - I have never seen it before. It shows that they had to pay 3/6d. for the proclamations, lists the mortcloths (4/- for an adult and 6d. for a child) and 5/- for a baptism.

Some OPRs include the church accounts, which include fees for baptisms, proclamations and mortcloth hire. They sometime show monies collected for the poor, and monies dispensed to the poor of the parish.

All the best,

AndrewP

Lorna Allison · Post by **Lorna Allison** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:35 pm

Hello Andrew

I have uploaded again to the Gallery, following your instructions. It was accepted quite happily, so I hope that you will find it readable. I shall keep the instructions by me for a future occasion.

I have managed to find out the names of the children from the testament which was a big help as they were carried down to the next generation by the only son Thomas and am now going to see if any other family members are mentioned. Trying on the eyes

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1617
<image URL added, LesleyB. Thanks Lorna - much easier to see now...not sure that it helps much though!!

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Regards

Lorna

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:28 am

Back again Lorna,

His handwriting is pretty clear in that particular spot. It looks almost as if he has been scribbling away and has slowed down when he got to Garngaboch because he wasn’t familiar with it and had to think about the spelling. The ending of the word four lines below looks a bit different (sh?) but I think Jack hit the nail on the head.

Alan

Lorna Allison · Post by **Lorna Allison** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:14 pm

Glad I know how to do it now. That is so much clearer for reading when enlarged than on SP or my printout. The next two pages appear to be a long, long list of all the family goods and their worth. Since there was one son, I am presuming that he got Garngabuch/gibboch and the little girls (who were infants) got the proceeds of the contents and (hopefully) were looked after by Uncle William Paul.

Alan, could you look at the first entry in the margin on the left and the two words in the line below the second Garngabuch which look like "Ecooy Daliber" and tell me what your guess might be as to what they are please? They appear several times in the subsequent text and might help me to understand the document.

Regards and thanks all round

Lorna

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:30 pm

Hi Lorna,
The second word looks like "Dative" to me, but I can't make the first word into "testament" however hard I try (see the topic in Talking Scot Library: viewtopic.php?t=4420 )
The one 5 lines up looks more like "Testament Dative". Could "Ecooy" somehow be "Inventory"?

All the best,
Sarah

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:26 pm

Lorna,

I can really only read the bits where he slows down and seems to be thinking about something.

In the margin his capitals aren’t easy.

Band of Caubionrie *udlays *or Tyrone????

Underneath Garngabosh, if you look at January 1722 a few lines above he makes a really feeble Y after the R and this looks a bit like a feebler version of that so maybe it’s Ecoury. He seems to be marking above all his Us with a squiggle or a dash. Apparently there’s a place in France by that name. The next word might start Dal but I don’t think it’s an R at the end and there’s that mark again, is there a U in there somewhere?

Might have to sleep on it,
Alan

Archiver · Post by **Archiver** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:08 pm

Looks like Garngavoch to me - there's a slightly clearer version a few lines on, where a person, William Paull is described as being of Mosswood of Garngavoch.

The entry in the side margin says "Band of Cautioners, Findlay For Tyrone[?]"

The other bit where it looks like Ecoy is a funny abbreviation of Executors. William Paull is an uncle and he is the executor dative to the deceased.

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:16 pm

Is there such a thing as an "Executor Dative"? I could convince myself that I see that...

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:42 pm

He seems to be marking above all his Us with a squiggle or a dash.

This is common practice for the period.

Is there such a thing as an "Executor Dative"? I could convince myself that I see that...

Yes, as far as I'm aware, there is...