The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

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bolemo
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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by bolemo » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:19 pm

This is not totally correct (as Ancestry can be), I have the birth certificate for Hannah, and it is definitely George SIMPSON and Isabella BARCLEY. The place is Walker.
For her husband and kids, that is possible, as I lost her trace after 1851. I will have to check.

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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by ggrocott » Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:27 pm

Matthew SIMPSON B c1855 Consett, Durham, England son of William and Helen appears to have had 3 wives, Phoebe died 1892, Jane (Simpson?!!!) married 1892 and Mary Ann (Williamson?) married 1904. Death of Phoebe and marriages are all Lanchester.

Children with Phoebe: Frances Simpson 1876, Ellen Simpson1877, Robt S Simpson 1879, Thos Simpson 1882, Eliz Simpson1888, Arthur Simpson 1890

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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by bolemo » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:42 am

Found those Baptisms:
John Simpson
Birth date: 13 Dec 1816
Baptism date: 12 Jan 1817
Father's first name(s): Thomas
Mother's first name(s): Hannah
Occupation: Forgeman
Residence: Sheffield
Place: Sheffield
Church: Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
William Simpson
Birth date: 04 Mar 1819
Baptism date: 21 Mar 1819
Father's first name(s): Thomas
Mother's first name(s): Hannah
Occupation: Forgeman
Residence: Sheffield
Place: Sheffield
Church: Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Most likely, it is them: Thomas being a forgerman, and the mother's name Hannah makes sense, considering that both, William and George had a Daughter named Hannah. No Birth or Christening information for George; but there is another sibling: John!

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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by ggrocott » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:42 pm

these brothers certainly seem to have had a thing for Scottish women

1851
John Simpson
AGE: 34
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1817 born Sheffield, Yorkshire (nail roller?)
RELATION: Head
SPOUSE'S NAME: Elizabeth Simpson born Scotland
Daughter Hannah age 14 born Durham
Son Matthew Henry age 3 born Middlesborough
CIVIL PARISH: Greasbrough
COUNTY/ISLAND: Yorkshire
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Rotherham
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Kimberworth

However in 1861 he is with wife Alice Simpson age 34 born Pendleton and Matthew Henry in Pendleton, shown as being in the iron trade.

1871 he is with Alice again in Pendlebury shown as the brother-in-law of Martha Greenhaigh

1881 he is still with Alice running a marine store (general) in West Derby.

1891
John Simpson
AGE: 75
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1816
RELATION: Head
SPOUSE'S NAME: Alice Simpson
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Sheffield; Wordsley Bridge
CIVIL PARISH: West Derby
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: St Nathaniel
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
PIECE: 2995
FOLIO: 102
PAGE NUMBER: 26
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Also there
Herbert Chappell 9 nephew born Liverpool I'm sure I saw the name Chappell somewhere else.

John Simpson widower residence Manchester
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1817
AGE: 42 iron trade
MARRIAGE DATE: 9 Apr 1859
PARISH: Manchester, St Matthew
PARISH AS IT APPEARS: Manchester
FATHER'S NAME: Thomas Simpson iron puddler
SPOUSE'S NAME: Alice Robinson
SPOUSE'S FATHER'S NAME: Thomas Robinson hairdresser
Witnesses Thomas and Elizabeth Ann Robinson

I keep seeing a Joseph Simpson born about the same time in Sheffield as well who I think I will try and trace!

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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by ggrocott » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:39 pm

Possible marriage for Thomas and Hannah?


SIMPSON, Thomas (Bachelor, age ~, ~, residing at Parish of Rotherham).
Married Hannah BEARDSALL, on May 22, 1814, by ~ (Banns) at
Parish Church, Rotherham. Father's name is ~ (~) Bachelor and spinster witnesses Mary Briggs and James Simpson

And look what I just found ........

First name(s) George
Last name Beardall
Birth year 1814
Birth date 13 Sep 1814
Baptism year 1814
Baptism date 09 Oct 1814
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Hannah
Occupation Forgeman
Residence Sheffield
Place Sheffield
Church Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
County Yorkshire
Country England
Record set Sheffield Baptisms

Coincidence of what???
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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by bolemo » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:28 pm

The family with Alice Simpson at Pendleton is another one I think, another Matthew Henry, not sure.

Here is what I found for Matthew Henry and Dinah:

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          Matthew Henry SIMPSON          B   1848         Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
                                         Chr 24/09/1848   Circuit Primitive Methodist, Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England
          & Dinah                        B   c1853        Pendleton, Lancashire, England
?         Dau  Ada SIMPSON               Chr 01/09/1869   St. Paul’s, Paddington, Lancashire, England
          Son  John Henry SIMPSON        Chr 30/10/1870   Eccles, Swinton, Lancashire, England
          Dau  Florence SIMPSON          Chr 06/06/1872   Eccles, Swinton, Lancashire, England
          Son  Joseph Edwin SIMPSON      B   c1875        Salford, Lancashire, England
               & Mary Ann CARROLL        B   c1878
                                         M   17/09/1899   All Saints, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
          Dau  Jessica SIMPSON           B   c1878
               & Frederick George WRIGHT B   c1881
                                         M   18/06/1900   St. Anne’s Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
          Son  Herbert Christian SIMPSON B   c1880        Lancashire, England
               & Jane Emily BROOKES      B   c1881
                                         M   24/12/1905   Everton, Lancashire, England
          Son  Thomas SIMPSON            B   c1886        Liverpool, Lancashire, England
          Dau  Eva SIMPSON               B   c1890        Liverpool, Lancashire, England
          Dau  Mabel SIMPSON             B   c1894        Liverpool, Lancashire, England
          Relative Hannah RADFORD        B   c1812        Mislwhich, Cheshire, England
And I think I found the marriage between John and Elizabeth… In 1833 at… Dundee! Like the other brothers. I guess they liked not only Scottish women, but the ones from Dundee in particular…
John SIMPSON & Elizabeth BALLANTINE, 27/12/1833, Dundee, Angus, Scotland.
And for the kids, I found so far Hannah Henderson SIMPSON, Chr 05 Mar 1837, All Saints’, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
And Matthew Henry SIMPSON.

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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by ggrocott » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:13 pm

yes I had found Hannah Henderson Simpson so I was looking for a John Simpson/Elizabeth Henderson marriage but ......................

I think I have found John, Elizabeth and Hannah in 1841 in Durham with a 3 week old son Robert, John is an iron roller. Also found

Robert Henderson Simpson
GENDER: Male
BAPTISM DATE: 27 Oct 1847
BAPTISM PLACE: St. Thomas', Stockton-on-Tees, Durham, England
FATHER: John Simpson
MOTHER: Elizabeth Simpson

and England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

NAME: Robert Henderson Simpson
DEATH: Jan 1849 - Stockton, Durham

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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by bolemo » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:24 pm

ggrocott wrote:Possible marriage for Thomas and Hannah?


SIMPSON, Thomas (Bachelor, age ~, ~, residing at Parish of Rotherham).
Married Hannah BEARDSALL, on May 22, 1814, by ~ (Banns) at
Parish Church, Rotherham. Father's name is ~ (~) Bachelor and spinster witnesses Mary Briggs and James Simpson

And look what I just found ........

First name(s) George
Last name Beardall
Birth year 1814
Birth date 13 Sep 1814
Baptism year 1814
Baptism date 09 Oct 1814
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Hannah
Occupation Forgeman
Residence Sheffield
Place Sheffield
Church Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
County Yorkshire
Country England
Record set Sheffield Baptisms

Coincidence of what???
This is very very interesting indeed!!!! Strange that the name is not SIMPSON… Marriage is 22 May, birth around september (before 9 Oct). 5 to 6 months… So she got pregnant before the wedding…

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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by bolemo » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:38 am

ggrocott wrote:However in 1861 he is with wife Alice Simpson age 34 born Pendleton and Matthew Henry in Pendleton, shown as being in the iron trade.

1871 he is with Alice again in Pendlebury shown as the brother-in-law of Martha Greenhaigh

1881 he is still with Alice running a marine store (general) in West Derby.

1891
John Simpson
AGE: 75
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1816
RELATION: Head
SPOUSE'S NAME: Alice Simpson
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Sheffield; Wordsley Bridge
CIVIL PARISH: West Derby
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: St Nathaniel
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
PIECE: 2995
FOLIO: 102
PAGE NUMBER: 26
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Also there
Herbert Chappell 9 nephew born Liverpool I'm sure I saw the name Chappell somewhere else.

John Simpson widower residence Manchester
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1817
AGE: 42 iron trade
MARRIAGE DATE: 9 Apr 1859
PARISH: Manchester, St Matthew
PARISH AS IT APPEARS: Manchester
FATHER'S NAME: Thomas Simpson iron puddler
SPOUSE'S NAME: Alice Robinson
SPOUSE'S FATHER'S NAME: Thomas Robinson hairdresser
Witnesses Thomas and Elizabeth Ann Robinson

I keep seeing a Joseph Simpson born about the same time in Sheffield as well who I think I will try and trace!
You are right: this is John and his new wife. I don't remember what made me put this aside at first, but it makes sense, and that explains why Matthew Henry lives there after.
Ah Chapell, I see a whole family of them in the 1881 census, in the previous schedule, the house next to theirs. I also see in the same census, two schedules before Chapell, a Mutch family.

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Re: The elusive Janet/Jessie Simpson

Post by bolemo » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:27 pm

ggrocott wrote:yes I had found Hannah Henderson Simpson so I was looking for a John Simpson/Elizabeth Henderson marriage but ......................

I think I have found John, Elizabeth and Hannah in 1841 in Durham with a 3 week old son Robert, John is an iron roller. Also found

Robert Henderson Simpson
GENDER: Male
BAPTISM DATE: 27 Oct 1847
BAPTISM PLACE: St. Thomas', Stockton-on-Tees, Durham, England
FATHER: John Simpson
MOTHER: Elizabeth Simpson

and England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

NAME: Robert Henderson Simpson
DEATH: Jan 1849 - Stockton, Durham
I know, this one is strange… Why Henderson?
The year and the Birthplace are Right, and parents too.
For the 1841 Census, I am not sure: names for John, Elizabeth and Hannah are right, but Robert? The Baptism you found is in 1847, 6 years after the census! Not likely. Birthplace for Elizabeth is right, but not for others, and her birth year is 10 years wrong… Iron roller and Rail Roller are compatible though. One more disturbing thing: Robert Henderson Simpson died in 1849 in Stockton… But their son Matthew Henry Simpson was born in 1848 in Yorkshire (Rotherham) and we have his Baptism in 1848 at Middlesborough, Yorkshire. Are we dealing with two different families here?
In the 1851 Census, birth towns are all right but not the counties (so if Counties are wrong here, why not in 1841 too…). Birth year for Elizabeth is more compatible (1805), as I found a birth for Elizabeth Ballantine 13 Aug 1804 in West Linton, Peebles, Scotland (parents William Ballantine & Margaret Somervail), and the marriage in Dundee the 27/12/1833 (John was 17 years and 14 days old, Elizabeth was 29 years old…).
I did not find anything with an Elizabeth Henderson; did you?

As for Thomas and Hannah Simpson, I believe he was alive in 1848 (as his name is mentioned in George second marriage with Susannah, without the mention Deceased). I wonder if he ever moved to Scotland with his sons, or if he stayed in Yorkshire… Interesting to see that John Simpson is living in Rotherham, where Thomas and Hannah got married… Maybe they return closer to other family members?

The other strange thing, is that George's son Thomas married a Henderson, but the name was quite common…

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