Hugh and Mary Gibson

[garydevine1995]

I cant find the death certs for Hugh and Mary gibson/king. they marrie din 1867 in cambusnethan (if thats how you spell it) ans they had i think all of there children in Dalzeil. they are there in the 1871,1881,1891 census' and they are still alive in 1895 for their sons marriage in blantyre. in think they moved to blantyre just before the 1871 census like in 1869 or 1870 as the youngest is 2 and is born in Dalzeil. i dont no hughs fathers name because on the marriage the writing starts disappear at the front of his name but it looks like james and his mother is mary hannah something and desceased. marys father is robert king and he is desceasd too and her mother is easther harrison.

[AndrewP]

Hi Gary,

Mary Gibson's death certificate is easy to find on ScotlandsPeople. If you search the deaths for Mary Gibson, other surname King 1895 onwards, there are 5 results. Three of them are in the 1960s so unlikely to be her, as she would be over 100 by then. The other two are both in Glasgow - one in Dennistoun and one in Gorbals. More than the average amount of deaths in Glasgow take place in Dennistoun as that's where the Royal Infirmary was (is?). Go have a look there and you will find the death of Mary, widow of Hugh, usual residence in Blantyre. There is also an RCE entry there for you to view for more details concerning her cause of death.

On Mary's death certificate, she is listed as a widow. So given that you know Hugh was alive in 1895, and dead before Mary you have a very short time frame to look in for his death. If you search within these years you should get 10 results for the whole of Scotland. Eight of these are children, so leaving only 2 adults to choose from. One in Blantyre and one in Dennistoun. The Dennistoun one is younger than you are looking for, so the Blantyre one is the one to make first choice. On looking at that certificate, his son was the informant to the register, but got names mixed up a bit - that's not uncommon on a death certificate.

All the best,

AndrewP

[garydevine1995]

i have just got marys death cert, 3 things i am quite shocked at

1. Death by poisoning of liquid ammonia
2. Shes Illigetimate
3. shes only 49 hahaha

on her marriage cert her parents are mentioned as robert king and mary hannah something. and see hugh if you go him, i got one yesterday and he died in 1897 in blantyre and his mother was down as mary king and his wife was down as mary dunns something like that is that what you mean by the sone getting the names mixed up Andrew??

[garydevine1995]

on her marriage cert it says her father is robert king and her mother is easther harrison ans hughs parents are james gibson and mary hannah something i am still abit :/ with them two i need help with them so i can understand

[AndrewP]

Hi Gary,

The parent information on Hugh and Mary's marriage certificate is:

• James Gibson, Mason, and Mary Hannah Gibson, M.S. Cormack (Deceased)
  Robert King, Mason (Deceased) and Easther King, M.S. Harrison

On her death certificate, her parent details are:

• <illegitimate>
  Mother: Mary King, Brickfield worker (Deceased)

I see two outcomes there:

1. Son Hugh didn't know his mother's parentage
2. Mary gave wrong info on her marriage certificate (to make it look better?)

Outcome (1) seems most likely. It looks like son Hugh has given his parent information (mother at least), rather than his mother's parent information. On her marriage certificate, Mary was a brick worker.

The children to Hugh Gibson and Mary King by the cut-off time at the end of the births on the IGI (1874) is:

• MARY ANN GIBSON - Birth: 21 MAY 1867 Dalziel, Lanarkshire
  MARGARET GIBSON - Birth: 01 JUL 1871 Dalziel, Lanarkshire
  HUGH GIBSON - Birth: 05 JAN 1874 Dalziel, Lanarkshire

One confusing factor is the birth of daughter Isabella, who is with the family in the 1871 and 1881 censuses. She appears to be:

• ISABELLA GIBSON - Birth: 08 JUL 1869 Dalziel, Lanarkshire born to Hugh Gibson and Mary Dunn, married 1867 Dalziel

All the best,

AndrewP

[garydevine1995]

what about hugh, if you got him what year did you get because i got a hugh for 1897 and he was married to mary dunn and his mother was mary king and his father was james gibson and his son hugh gibson signed the death certificate, if you go that hugh then what do you think, is it him ??

[AndrewP]

Hi Gary,

I am reasonably sure that the 1897 death is the right Hugh. Look at son Hugh's signature, as informant on both of these documents. See what you think.

Similarly I think these (pre-1875) children listed on the IGI are all of the one family:

• MARY ANN GIBSON - Birth: 21 MAY 1867 Dalziel, Lanarkshire
  ISABELLA GIBSON - Birth: 08 JUL 1869 Dalziel, Lanarkshire born to Hugh Gibson and Mary Dunn, married 1867 Dalziel
  MARGARET GIBSON - Birth: 01 JUL 1871 Dalziel, Lanarkshire
  HUGH GIBSON - Birth: 05 JAN 1874 Dalziel, Lanarkshire

The 1871 and 1881 censuses appear to show the surviving children as one family group with Hugh (senior) and Mary.

So the mystery is that Mary seems to be listed by two different maiden surnames, King or Dunn on different documents; and may or may not be illegitimate. You are going to have to unravel Mary's origins to work that out.

All the best,

AndrewP

[garydevine1995]

how would i go around unraveling mary i dont have the faintest idea on how to do that, nothing like this has ever came up with any of my ancestors before on any side

[nelmit]

On census records Mary states she was born at Kilmarnock.

I thought the name Mary gave for her mother when she married was unusual enough to investigate and I found this-

EASTHER HARRISON

Spouse: ALEXANDER BROWN
Family
Marriage:
23 APR 1856 Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland

In 1841 there is a Esther Harrison born 1831 Ireland living at Kilmarnock.

Unfortunately I cannot find any children born to this couple or any other info.

I'm not suggesting this is definitely Mary's mother but wondered if it would be worth trying to trace this Esther.

Regards,
Annette

[garydevine1995]

thanks i no in,i think a couple she is down as kilmarnock but in others she is in ireland and in 1881 i think it gives a county begining with F i couldnt really make the county out i wouldnt think that would be right though becuse if she was born after 1853 she would be 16 or under to get married but i think mary king was married at 19 meaning she was born in c1848