drowning at sea

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Post by SarahND » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:43 pm

Hi Marion,
Yes, that is what I think. I think the father was likely dead by 1871 or even 1861, since Jean appears to be earning her own living. I must say that these Mowats are hard to track down... there are not many of them, but they tend to disappear :lol:

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Post by marionbe » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:50 pm

Hi Sarah,

The Mowats are very hard to find, I have been looking for this Charles Mowat for over two years now and still can't find a death certificate for him,
is there anyway that he does not have one, Mabye his body was never found or does that sound stupid.

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Post by Currie » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:59 am

Probably no connection but in the London Gazette http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/Advanc ... ype=London 22 January, 1858, there’s an entry for Private Charles Mowat, Reg. No. 3511, 1st Btn. 60th Royal Rifles, died from wounds 28 June 1857 (Indian Mutiny).

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Post by morgano » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:42 pm

Just a thought: if the bodies of the drowned men had been found on the English or Irish coast, would there be Scottish death certificates?

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Post by marionbe » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:49 pm

Hi Everbody,

Thanks for all the help, its back to the drawing board again, I dont think I will ever find Charles Mowat.
Thanks all.
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Post by SarahND » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:07 pm

morgano wrote:Just a thought: if the bodies of the drowned men had been found on the English or Irish coast, would there be Scottish death certificates?
I don't think so. There would be English or Irish death certificates. This may well be what happened.

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Post by Ann In the UK » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:10 am

I don't know whether this has been cleared up, but I read somewhere (cant' find the link right now, typically) that deaths of Scottish subjects at sea had to be registered in Scotland, certainly in the latter half of the 19th century.

This is certainly true in my experience searching for my own 2x great grandfather, who had lived in Liverpool for several years when he drowned enroute to San Francisco in the 1880s. I found all of his English seamates who disappeared with him in the death registers in England, whilst he and the Scottish captian were registered in Scotland. The Irish mates were missing in the English register too, presumably they were recorded in their own counry of birth also.

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Post by JohnI » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:10 pm

Hello marion

There is a death record for a Charles Mowat in the Marine Register of the Minor Records on scotlandspeople. However, it is dated 1904, which sounds a bit too late for you.

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Post by Currie » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:40 am

Hello Ann,

There’s a National Archives research guide to this topic here, note that the legislation that requires notification of births, marriages and deaths on board only applies to British ships. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cata ... ID=246&j=1

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Re: drowning at sea

Post by Alcluith » Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:47 pm

I have been following this thread for some time with the hope that a brick wall might at last be knocked down. but it's still there.

My problem is a death around 1881/1882 where Norman McLeod just vanishes. He waas in Skye on the 1881 cencus and the next family record late 1882 shows him as dec'd.

I know there were dome bad storms around that time so does anyone know of records anywhere???
Burns, Quinn - Glasgow, N.Ireland
McLeod, Mackay, Nicholson, McNeil - Skye
James, McLeod, Sinclair, Smith - Renton
Davidson,Adie, Gibb - Aberdeen
Jolly Wishart - Angus
Usher - Newcastle
Mullen, Roe - Dublin
O'Donnell - Ireland, Alexandria

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