When & why did they move from Kent to East Lothian?

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ellenavon
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Post by ellenavon » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:13 pm

Hi everyone.

Just back from a few days in Scotland, and glad to see that we have the right folks!

Alysone to answer your question on how I found them - it was 4 days ago, so I hope I've remembered right :roll: , but I think I looked on Ancestry for all Sophias age 5 born in England, and then just trawled through the most likely looking ones. Bend stood out immediately though as a possible mistranscription of Bird.

I haven't even unpacked my bags yet, but I'm off to look now on the 1851 for your folks!!

Cheers

Ellen.
Researching: Grant; MacIntosh; Wright; Parley; Souter; Jaffray; Sangster; all North East & Speyside and Sutherland, Glasgow then Sutherland County; Buchanan, Stirlingshire; Lamond, North East; Stronach, Morayshire to name but a few!

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Post by ellenavon » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:39 pm

Hi again Alysone

This looks like Sophia in 1851, in service in Fife. Which makes sense if she married in Aberlady in 1864, although it does have her born Edinburgh. But since that's where it looks like she was brought up, she may have thought she was born there.

1851 Scotland Census
about Sophia Bird
Name: Sophia Bird
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Edins, Midlothian
Parish Number: 434
Civil Parish: Kennoway
Town: Star Dalginch
County: Fife
Address: Star Of Dalginch
Occupation: House Servant
ED: 5
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_90
Household Members: Name Age
Sophia Bird 14
David M Campbell 49
Janet Campbell 43
John Campbell 19

Will now look for James, Susan/Susannah and Eliza.

Cheers

Ellen.
Researching: Grant; MacIntosh; Wright; Parley; Souter; Jaffray; Sangster; all North East & Speyside and Sutherland, Glasgow then Sutherland County; Buchanan, Stirlingshire; Lamond, North East; Stronach, Morayshire to name but a few!

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Post by ellenavon » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:24 pm

Not having much luck with the others so far on 1851, but will keep trying. But think this could be "Eliza" on the 1861 in service in Glasgow:

1861 Scotland Census
about Elizabeth Bird
Name: Elizabeth Bird
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 5 Matta St
Occupation: Domestic Servant
ED: 98
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1861_113
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Bird 19
Philip Bird 45
Philip Bird 16
Daniel Boner 20
Edward Kelly 18
Frances Kelly 35
Francis Kelly 3
James Kelly 40
James Kelly 8
John Kelly 12
Margaret Kelly 5


Will be back.

Oops - added later - probably not, just noticed the two PHilips! Sorry.

Ellen.
Researching: Grant; MacIntosh; Wright; Parley; Souter; Jaffray; Sangster; all North East & Speyside and Sutherland, Glasgow then Sutherland County; Buchanan, Stirlingshire; Lamond, North East; Stronach, Morayshire to name but a few!

alysone
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Yes on Sophia!

Post by alysone » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:48 pm

Hi Ellen,
I am sure you are right that that is Sophia in Fifeshire. On her MC in 1864, she was listed as a domestic servant. While she was definitely in Aberlady when she married, I can't find her anywhere in 1861, either?
No luck, me either, on the others. Alas! Where James & Susan were at the '51 census is open to conjecture. I do know that their elder son, Edward b. Dover, Kent in 1826 was in Ireland. He was a Mess Man with the Royal Engineers & seemed to move about with them. Edward's second son, George Tobias, was born in Ireland in 1852. I really suspect James & Susan may also have been linked with military movements but have no proof.
Interestingly son Edward's 3rd child, Mary Jane, turned up in Edinburgh to be married to Arthur Wray in 1877. (In 1871, she & her father were in Farnborough.)
I gave it my best shot but found nothing more on Eliza, either by census or at SP looking for a marriage or death. I may well have overlooked her or perhaps she died young? I do have Thomas, my GG Grandfather, neatly in East Lothian. Not a clue as to what became of his parents.
You have been so helpful & even without the 1861 census, I think I can assume that Sophia stayed in Scotland until she married? Nice to see her in '51 to confirm that supposition.
Thanks for explaining how you found them in the grand first venture in 1841. I am still shaky on searching & really appreciate such tips. If nothing else turns up... I really am so much further forward than a week ago.
It would seem that on this side, my Scottish roots are rather shallow!
Gratefully yet again, Rosalie
Researching East Lothian Birds, Wilsons, Woods, Maillies, Crookstons, & Cranstons.

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Post by LesleyB » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:04 am

Hi all
Civil Parish: Kennoway
Town: Star Dalginch
County: Fife
Address: Star Of Dalginch
My interpretation of that one would be Star of Markinch. It is between Markinch & Kennoway.

Best wishes
Lesley

alysone
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Thanks!

Post by alysone » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:22 am

Thanks Leslie, I would never have known it wasn't right. alysone
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