Census Lookup Please

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:37 pm

Hi Dave,
Thanks for your reply.....I have the medal cards for...
James Gemmell (my grandfather) K.I.A. 20/10/1914
Daniel Gemmell (his brother)Died of wounds 11/08/1918
Henry Gemmell (brother i think) Waiting on word from the Fusiliers.

Births in Ayrshire between 1883-1886.
Ardrossan 1883 James Stevens Gemmell.
Stewarton 1885 James Gemmell.
Ayr 1886 James William Gemmell.

Irvine Ayrshire-19th Feb 1885 James Gemmell....
Father John Gemmell (a tailor journeyman)
Mother Mary Gemmell nee Coghill.
This was the only James Gemmell with any connection with Lancashire.

The Daniel Gemmell marriage in Salford seems to confirm that the three brothers stayed in Lancashire.

John and Mary after 1891 is a mystery ..

Raymond.

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:13 pm

Hi Raymond,

Do you have a name for your grandfather's mother?

Nina

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:30 pm

Hi Nina,
All i had was the Father John...I thought it may be Mary Coghill but hope that the Fusiliers may find something.

Raymond.

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:55 pm

Is this the family in the English 1891 at Cheetham, Manchester Lancashire?

John Gemmell, Head, 30, Tailor, born Scotland
Mary Gemmell, Wife, 28, -, Scotland
Daniel Gemmell, Son, 9, Scholar, Scotland
James Gemmell, Son, 6, Scholar, Scotland
Henry, Son, 2, -, Scotland

If so, we can see that the family had possibly only moved to England within the past two or so years, as Henry was born in Scotland. Finding them before or after this date is proving difficult!

To be sure of his mother's surname you need to get one of the children's birth registrations.

Nina

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:20 pm

Hi Nina,
I have not seen this before but it looks what i have been looking for as i feel that the father John and three sons enlisted in the Fusiliers...My nephew in Salford is going to the Manchester Reg. office this week so i will ask him to look into the sons Registrations and see what he can find.

Raymond

Post by **SarahND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:23 pm

Here are John and Mary in 1881, before the children were born:

23 Copland Rd, Govan Church, Lanarkshire
John Gemmell, 20, Head, born Irvine, Ayrshire, (Journeyman) Tailor
Mary Gemmell, 18, Wife, born Irvine, Ayrshire

And here they are in 1901 (indexed as "Grunwell"

)

11 Halls (?) St, Broughton, Lancashire
John Gemmell, Head, 40, Tailor, born Scotland
Mary Gemmell, Wife, 38, born Scotland
James Gemmell, Son, 16, Builders Labourer, born Scotland
Henry Gemmell, Son, 12, born Scotland
Mary Gemmell, Daur, 7, born Lancs, Manchester
John Gemmell, Son, 4, born Lancs, Manchester
Alexander Gemmell, Son, 1 month, born Lancs, Salford

All the best,
Sarah

RAYMOND · Post by **RAYMOND** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:39 pm

Nina/Sarah,
Im just lost for words

Raymond

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:44 pm

Well done Sarah! That was a tough one!

I wonder where Daniel is then?

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:06 pm

Since I have Gemmells from Irvine, I looked up the marriage at Scotland's People. The John Gemmell/Mary Coghill marriage in Irvine in 1880 belongs to my family line, father Alexander, mother Margaret Stewart. This John Gemmell is a tailor journeyman, who was living in Govan at the time of his marriage.

Nina

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:15 pm

So that takes you full circle back to the beginning with Gemmells and the batch number that you started with!

Carol