Hi folks,
Me again, Can anyone do a look up for me in Wales please?
It is for Thomas Beveridge who died at sea - although he lived in Falkirk at the time, his residence on the ships list is Penarth which i discovered is in Glamorgan, Wales. He was born 19/8/1841.
Thanks
Ailsa
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Hi Ailsa,
What kind of details are you looking for? A newspaper report? A few more details for the benefit of those who might be able to help: Thomas was lost at sea in 1883. The "Deaths at Sea" report states he was a fireman on the "Saint Columba", which was missing since 28 January 1883. His last residence in the report, as Ailsa said, was Penarth. His family was still in Scotland.
His census records are all found-- in Scotland until 1881, when he was enumerated on a boat "Dione" normally docked in Stockton. The county the vessel was in on census night was given as Yorkshire.
If any of you seafaring or newspaper folks can dig up anything on the fate of the "Saint Columba" in 1883, I'm sure Ailsa would be very grateful. She was a small vessel, as only 6 crew members are on the presumed lost at sea record.
All the best,
Sarah
P.S. Sorry to butt in, Ailsa
But I thought it might help if people had a better idea of what they were looking for.
What kind of details are you looking for? A newspaper report? A few more details for the benefit of those who might be able to help: Thomas was lost at sea in 1883. The "Deaths at Sea" report states he was a fireman on the "Saint Columba", which was missing since 28 January 1883. His last residence in the report, as Ailsa said, was Penarth. His family was still in Scotland.
His census records are all found-- in Scotland until 1881, when he was enumerated on a boat "Dione" normally docked in Stockton. The county the vessel was in on census night was given as Yorkshire.
If any of you seafaring or newspaper folks can dig up anything on the fate of the "Saint Columba" in 1883, I'm sure Ailsa would be very grateful. She was a small vessel, as only 6 crew members are on the presumed lost at sea record.
All the best,
Sarah
P.S. Sorry to butt in, Ailsa
But I thought it might help if people had a better idea of what they were looking for.-
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Hi Sarah,
I can't really be convinced that is him on the Saint Columba where he died - my only reason for being led to that Thomas is that he does not appear on the 1881 scottish census with the rest of the family in Falkirk. Also it says he was born in Glasgow but he was actually born in Dunfermline, Fife.
I would like to think it was him and that closes that investigation but i like to have a strong link. Maybe i won't get it this time.
I posted the look up as i thought he might have been a lodger in Penarth in 1881 and there might have been a bit more info to prove it was the Thomas i am looking for.
You are right though i have to be more specific when posting - sorry everybody.
Ailsa
I can't really be convinced that is him on the Saint Columba where he died - my only reason for being led to that Thomas is that he does not appear on the 1881 scottish census with the rest of the family in Falkirk. Also it says he was born in Glasgow but he was actually born in Dunfermline, Fife.
I would like to think it was him and that closes that investigation but i like to have a strong link. Maybe i won't get it this time.
I posted the look up as i thought he might have been a lodger in Penarth in 1881 and there might have been a bit more info to prove it was the Thomas i am looking for.
You are right though i have to be more specific when posting - sorry everybody.
Ailsa
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Hi Ailsa
I've found so far that the ones who go to sea can be a real headache!
Best wishes
Lesley
I'm probably posting something you know already, but you can view the 1881 census for England and Wales at www.familysearch.org for free, so a rummage around in there might help move things along a bit...or not.I posted the look up as i thought he might have been a lodger in Penarth in 1881 and there might have been a bit more info to prove it was the Thomas i am looking for.
I've found so far that the ones who go to sea can be a real headache!
Best wishes
Lesley
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Hi Annette,
Since Ailsa is in a later time zone at the moment, and may or may not be in bed already, I'll answer your question. I see you have already amended it, but I think a description would be interesting for others who have had an ancestor lost at sea. The death cert was not the usual kind. It is a page of Return of Deaths at Sea, reported to the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen under the provisions of the "Merchant Shipping Act, 1854," and "Births and Deaths Registration Act, 1874," during the month of March, 1883
Each death is only given one line. The headings are:
Name of Ship
Official Number
Date of arrival
Date of death
Name and Surname of Deceased
Sex
Age
Rank Profession, or Occupation
Nationality
Last Place of Abode
Cause of Death
Passenger or Member of Crew
There are 10 individuals on the page, from three different vessels. All of the people from the vessel in question were identified as "Crew", either Firemen or Engineers, all "Supposed Drowned". Across the two lines for "Date of Arrival" and "Date of Death" is written: "Vessel missing since 28.1.83"
I attempted to find the other crew members, to see where they were in 1881-- all different places, so they didn't work together long. The entry in "Nationality" is the place of birth, so far as I was able to gather. His wife and most of his children were born in Glasgow, so perhaps it is an understandable mistake. In 1881 his wife's occupation is: "Stoker's Wife". The deceased Thomas Beveridge was a "Fireman" on the boat in the death cert and also in the 1881 census on board the "Dione". I'm reasonably certain that the 1881 and the death cert are the same man: same age, same profession, same birthplace reported. The question is, is this man the absent "Stoker" from his wife and family's census in Falkirk? He is listed as married on the census.
Regards,
Sarah
Since Ailsa is in a later time zone at the moment, and may or may not be in bed already, I'll answer your question. I see you have already amended it, but I think a description would be interesting for others who have had an ancestor lost at sea. The death cert was not the usual kind. It is a page of Return of Deaths at Sea, reported to the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen under the provisions of the "Merchant Shipping Act, 1854," and "Births and Deaths Registration Act, 1874," during the month of March, 1883
Each death is only given one line. The headings are:
Name of Ship
Official Number
Date of arrival
Date of death
Name and Surname of Deceased
Sex
Age
Rank Profession, or Occupation
Nationality
Last Place of Abode
Cause of Death
Passenger or Member of Crew
There are 10 individuals on the page, from three different vessels. All of the people from the vessel in question were identified as "Crew", either Firemen or Engineers, all "Supposed Drowned". Across the two lines for "Date of Arrival" and "Date of Death" is written: "Vessel missing since 28.1.83"
I attempted to find the other crew members, to see where they were in 1881-- all different places, so they didn't work together long. The entry in "Nationality" is the place of birth, so far as I was able to gather. His wife and most of his children were born in Glasgow, so perhaps it is an understandable mistake. In 1881 his wife's occupation is: "Stoker's Wife". The deceased Thomas Beveridge was a "Fireman" on the boat in the death cert and also in the 1881 census on board the "Dione". I'm reasonably certain that the 1881 and the death cert are the same man: same age, same profession, same birthplace reported. The question is, is this man the absent "Stoker" from his wife and family's census in Falkirk? He is listed as married on the census.
Regards,
Sarah
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Thanks for that Sarah.
One of my deaths at sea was registered at Edinburgh about 8 months after the event then transcribed and re-registered at Peterhead (his home town).
All parent details were on the entry.
Saying that I'm pretty sure my great great grandfather died at sea (like his brother above) but I've never been able to find any record of it.
Regards,
Annette
One of my deaths at sea was registered at Edinburgh about 8 months after the event then transcribed and re-registered at Peterhead (his home town).
All parent details were on the entry.
Saying that I'm pretty sure my great great grandfather died at sea (like his brother above) but I've never been able to find any record of it.
Regards,
Annette
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That was certainly a piece of luck! So there's hope that there is another registration of the death? I'm sure Ailsa has already looked, though... If he is the right one, then his wife and some of his children emigrated later that year to Massachusetts. He never shows up again in any country-- at least he hasn't been found yet! So I think it makes sense if he died in January 1883, but it would be nice to have it confirmed by another source, of course.nelmit wrote: One of my deaths at sea was registered at Edinburgh about 8 months after the event then transcribed and re-registered at Peterhead (his home town).
I did some looking and there is only one Thomas Beveridge born in Glasgow between 1835 and 1845. He was born in 1844 and someone on the IGI has him marrying in New Zealand in 1875... so can't be right. Also, that one was a coal miner. I'm talking myself into believing we have the right man
But will Ailsa be convinced? All the best,
Sarah
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Hello Ailsa,
I couldn’t find anything about the loss of the ship in the London Times or in the Scotsman search results or with a good Google. This sort of thing was happening all the time in those days, small ships disappearing off the face of the earth.
I suppose the main people on land who were impacted by all this were the family and friends of the lost sailors, the owners of the lost ship, the insurance company and those conducting any enquiry into the loss. “Saint Columba” sounds Scottish but I wonder where its Home Port and owners are. I suppose the newspapers in the home port, or where his family lived would be worth a try.
According to this page http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ResLloydsRegister.htm
Lloyd's Register of Shipping is a voluntary classification society, and until 1875 its published volumes list only those vessels it had surveyed and classed. As a result, many smaller vessels and many early steamships do not appear in the published volumes of Lloyd's Register. Since 1875, Lloyd's Register has included all British vessels of 100 tons and over, whether or not surveyed and classed by Lloyd's.
Anything under 100 tons isn’t much of a ship so I imagine it would have been on the register. I’m not too clear on what Lloyd’s Registers are available but if you wanted to follow this up you could check your local library.
There is a National Archives Research Guide “Ships Wrecked or Sunk” at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cata ... afletID=52
There is a “List of the principal records of British shipping and seamen” at http://www.mun.ca/mha/research/principalrecords.php
Hope there’s something useful there,
Alan
I couldn’t find anything about the loss of the ship in the London Times or in the Scotsman search results or with a good Google. This sort of thing was happening all the time in those days, small ships disappearing off the face of the earth.
I suppose the main people on land who were impacted by all this were the family and friends of the lost sailors, the owners of the lost ship, the insurance company and those conducting any enquiry into the loss. “Saint Columba” sounds Scottish but I wonder where its Home Port and owners are. I suppose the newspapers in the home port, or where his family lived would be worth a try.
According to this page http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ResLloydsRegister.htm
Lloyd's Register of Shipping is a voluntary classification society, and until 1875 its published volumes list only those vessels it had surveyed and classed. As a result, many smaller vessels and many early steamships do not appear in the published volumes of Lloyd's Register. Since 1875, Lloyd's Register has included all British vessels of 100 tons and over, whether or not surveyed and classed by Lloyd's.
Anything under 100 tons isn’t much of a ship so I imagine it would have been on the register. I’m not too clear on what Lloyd’s Registers are available but if you wanted to follow this up you could check your local library.
There is a National Archives Research Guide “Ships Wrecked or Sunk” at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cata ... afletID=52
There is a “List of the principal records of British shipping and seamen” at http://www.mun.ca/mha/research/principalrecords.php
Hope there’s something useful there,
Alan