1841 Census

smiddykilry · Post by **smiddykilry** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:00 am

Hi
Having a hard time finding this family in the 1841 census,

David Graham age 38 ploughman
Isabella Graham age 41 wife
Ann Graham age 15 (1825) born Kinfauns Perth
Isabella Graham age 13 (1827) born Kinfauns Perth
Janet Graham age 10 (1831) born Methven Perth
Christina Graham age 7 (1833) born Methven Perth
I have them in the 1851 census at Redgorton Perth but can not locate them in 1841.
Any Ideas

Regards Smid

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:59 am

Hi Smid,
There is this GRAHAM family on ScotlandsPeople.
Ancestry has them indexed as TRAHARN...
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1841 census 395. Ed 5 p 5. Tibbermore, Perthshire.
Sinchy Laugh.
David GRAHAM, 35, Laberer, b Perthshire
Isabel GRAHAM, 42, ---------b Perthshire
Isabeal GRAHAM, 14, --------b Perthshire
John GRAHAM, 10, ---------b Perthshire
Janet GRAHAM, 8, ---------b Perthshire
Christiane GRAHAM, 6, ---b Perthshire
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Tibbermore is a mile or two south east of Methven.
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Jack

DavidMK · Post by **DavidMK** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:21 pm

Hi Jack, for my education, how did you go about finding Graham listed as Traharn on Ancestry?
Thanks
David

smiddykilry · Post by **smiddykilry** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:35 pm

Hi
Many thanks Jack never would have found that one, I did give SP a quick look but almost out of credits and it was quite late when I gave up. Must go back and have another look.

Thanks again
Smid

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:22 pm

Hi David,
I first looked for the Graham family (using Soundtex) in Perthshire...but nothing that fitted...
...extended this to all of Scotland; still nothing.

So, hoping that the family were in Perthshire, but just wrongly transcribed by Ancestry (not uncommon),
i then searched all Perthshire on first name only - no surname.
Chr* male/female born 1833 +/- 5yrs. (male & female because i've seen mistakes)
"Chirsty"-"Kirsty"-"C(K)ristina" had already been eliminated.
Her forename as Chr* had slightly less returns than the others in the family.
Though as it was there were 755 "Christina"s listed, and so it was just a matter of
going through the list looking for a "Christina" with a more "unusual" surname that had,
paw & maw as David & "Isabella"/"Mrs", plus children "Isa" & "Janet/Jessie" or similar.

The unusually named Christiane Traharn (6) was eventually found on page 15 (of 16)...
...and by good luck her parents & siblings were near enough to match the 1851 census that Smid already had.
I then checked 1841 Tibbermore on SP; same forenames & ages, but with surname as Graham.
They all agreed, so a quick look at the page, and it was clear enough that Traharn was an Ancestry error.

So sometimes the only way is to drop the surname.
In that respect Ancestry can be useful...ie, using a forename only; an occupation; a birthplace, age, etc.
But their *wildcard* search needs at least three letters - so if they get a name wrong it can be a bit of a problem.

Like, in 1871, Ancestry have my 1C1R David Maxwell as Danto Wasnick...
And quite recently noticed they have someone in South Leith 1861 as...
John Gillon 3bus, 17, Student Of Molicine.
Yes, his surname is as 3bus ...his father though is a George Walker.

Such a pity we can't search SP on a forename only basis etc., and although occasional errors do occur,
i'd trust the SP/GROS transcriptions over Ancestry's any day.
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Hi Smid, thanks; pleased to hear it's helped somewhat.

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Jack

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:29 am

hi Jack

The unusually named Christiane Traharn (6) was eventually found on page 15 (of 16)...

As ever, your perseverance and dedication to finding those ellusive, very often mistranscribed people, is most impressive! =D> =D> =D>

Best wishes
Lesley

trish58 · Post by **trish58** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:35 am

Hi Jack

Well done on that find, I have on occassions used first names only and had good results,.

Trish

DavidMK · Post by **DavidMK** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:09 am

Thanks Jack, That IS an education.
David

Post by **joette** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:54 am

I too have Grahams in Perthshire Auchterarder.Isabella nee Black marries Thomas Graham(Ploughman).
In the 1841 Census she is living in Auchterarder as an Annuiant(Widow) with
Daughters Jane 25
Ann 20(My GGGreat-Grandmother)
Christina Campbell 10-who is Jane's daughter & marries 1856.
Jane(Jeannie) Graham-1- Jane's daughter -she by 1851 is living as Ann's daughter along with James Cooper(Ann's son) &Thomas Waddell(Ann & John Waddell's son)
Jane(Jeannie) marries a Gibson but on her marriage gives Jane as her Mother rather than Ann who raised her.We know this is a definite family connection as my Great-Grandfather is living with her & family in 1881 & when she is widowed my Great-Grandfather helped to support her large family.
Any connections to your Grahams?I believe that Ann & Jane(Jeannie) may have had a brother Thomas.

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:02 pm

Forename only searches are a vital asset when you are working with the US census records too. Many immigrants' names were changed when they arrived in the US and many more were mistranscribed by census workers and then you have the Ancestry mistranscriptions on top of that!

If you have relatives in the US records, try to find out the town that they lived in. Then you can google it and the state where they were living to find out the county and township. Then you can search the first name in the township and this narrows things down to something workable.

I've just spent most of two weeks trawling the 1920 Census and am now more familiar with it than I ever wanted to be, but I did find a couple of relatives! Sometimes slogging through this stuff is the only thing that works!

Carol

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