1841 .....

[Davie]

Would be chuffed if anyone could find any McNaughtons in Eastwood on 1841 census or in Cathcart in 1851

[CatrionaL]

Davie

I could find no trace of McNaughtons in Eastwood or Cathcart in the 1841 Census index. Have no access to the 1851 one.

Perhaps they were elsewhere in the region at that time?

Catriona

[Jack]

Hi Davie,
Is there any particular family you are looking for? If so, do you have names?

Catriona's certainly right about McNAUGHTONs in 1841 - there are none, but i've had the advantage of being able to look at the 1851 too.

There is a Daniel (45) & Janet (35) McNAUGHT in Eastwood 1841, but they are as McNAUGHTAN (ages 61 & 51) in 1851 at Cathcart.
Daniel's occupation was a fancy turner in 1841; there were 7 children - everyone in the family as born outside Renfrewshire.

Any good to you?

Jack

[Davie]

Hi Jack
Brilliant
That is the family No question.
Do they have an address?
I am hoping it is Millbrae in 1851.
Children:
Agnes, Isabella, Thomas, Mary, Marion, John, Janet, Neil

[Jack]

Hi Davie,
Here they are, and you'll be glad to see it was Millbrae in 1851.
Spellings of names are as they are on the pages.
==
1841 cens 562 Ed 3 p 2 (Eastwood or Pollok)
Crossmyloof.
Daniel McNAUGHT, 45, fancy turner, b SCT
Jannet McNAUGHT, 35, ----- b SCT
Jannet McNAUGHT, 24?, --- b SCT [it might be 14 - difficult to be certain which]
Niel McNAUGHT, 18, -------- b SCT
Thomas McNAUGHT, 10, -- b SCT
Marry McNAUGHT, 8, ------ b SCT
Isbella McNAUGHT, 6, ---- b SCT
Marrion McNAUGHT, 4, --- b SCT
John McNAUGHT, 1, ------ b SCT
/ Margaret SMITH, 14, --- b SCT
&
1851 cens 560 Ed 4 pp 9-10 (Cathcart)
Millbrae House.
Daniel McNAUGHTAN, head, marr, 61, landed proprietor & turner, b Gorbals, LKS
Janet McNAUGHTAN, wife, 51, ----------- b Glasgow, LKS
Niel McNAUGHTAN, son, u/m 21, turner, b Gorbals, LKS
Thomas McNAUGHTAN, son, u/m 19, grocers clerk, b Gorbals, LKS
Mary McNAUGHTAN, daur, u/m 18, scholar, b Gorbals, LKS
Isabella McNAUGHTAN, daur, 15, scholar, b Gorbals, LKS
Marrion McNAUGHTAN, daur, 13, scholar, b Ardrishaig, ARL
Robert GIB ?McNAUGHTAN?, son, 8, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS [there was no 'ditto' McNaughtan - name was just as Robert Gib]
Ratchel GHRAME [sic], servant, 15, house servant, b Ireland
==
Jack

ps, Davie, i notice you're in Glasgow. The Mitchell has all the local censuses (and more!) if you are able to visit.

[Davie]

Great stuff Jack thanks a lot.
I have a problem with arthritis and have a tremor in my hands, it makes it difficult to work the Fiche readers in the Mitchell.
I visit the Glasgow Room on occasion.
I joined the West of Scotland historical Society last week, so hopefully there will be people there to help.
I have a note of Daniel’s will and it mentioned he had property in Millbrae.

While I have your ear.
Daniel had an illigitimate son, also called Daniel.
Is there any way of finding out who the Mother was?
I have got every possible spelling from the OPR for Daniel McNaughton, with no one even close.
I would assume that he was registered or Christened with his mother's name.
I have the 1881 census on cds here in the Glasgow flat and like the way it works.
Type in a given name and the town born and up it comes, no need for a surname.

Thanks once again
Davie

[Jack]

Hi Davie,

Sorry to hear you've trouble with the arthritis - not surprised it makes life a tad difficult (how's that for an understatement!).
I'd only mentioned The Mitchell in case you weren't fully aware that they had the censuses - glad you know of them.

Pleased to hear you've joined the GWSFHS - i've always found everyone very helpful at the Partick premises.
And a great place for a cuppa and a wee blether! Hope to meet you there one day.

As regards the illegitimate son Daniel; do you when / where he was supposed to have been born?
Do you have him on any censuses? I take it you haven't found his MC or DC? What details do you have on him?

Ta - Jack

ps, the LDS 1881 census Cds (even with the odd transcription error) is still the best £30 i've spent for many a year!
Remember when searching on some "Mc" names that you occasionally have to leave a space between the "Mc" and the next part of the surname.
So if you can't find your "Mc" name on normal spelling - try leaving a space.
--

[Davie]

guid info Jack.
amazed you were able to decipher "Grocers" clerk for Thomas in 1851.
I could not make that out. He was later Lord Mayor of Blackpool and a respected surgeon.
Though no one knows where he got his doctorate.
I will use the Partick place often and may even drop into the Lismore again, even if they don't sell Tennant's.
Daniel would have been born circa 1814.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_M%27Naghten

I have a few books and papers on his trial.
Awrabest
Davie

[Jack]

Hi Davie,
Just in case you miss this - noticed it on the Rootsweb Lanark List.
But maybe you're already in touch with Mandy?
Jack
------
Mandy Whitham <mwhitham@onetel.net>
18 October 2005 14:28
LANARK-L@rootsweb.com <LANARK-L@rootsweb.com>
[LKS] URIE of Muirhouses nr Glasgow

I am actually researching McNaughton/tan's of the Gorbals and beyond and
have recently discovered that one Daniel McN was the illegitimate son of
Daniel McN snr and ? Urie.

In an extract from an article written in 1843 by John Warden it says that,
"Daniel McNaughtan is a native of Glasgow, about 33 years of age. He is the
illegitimate offspring of a woman whose name was Urie. Her father was a
farmer at a place called Muirhouses, a little beyond the Gorbals tollbar. A
short time before her accouchement, she left her father's residence, and
took a house at the foot of Saltmarket Street, where McNaughtan was born.
She earned a livelihood by dress-making; and her son lived with her till her
death, which took place about twenty years ago.

After the death of McNaughtan's mother, his father, who is a very
respectable tradesman in Stockwell Street, took him home to his house, and
bred him to his own business, which is that of a wood-turner."

In Daniel snr's Will in the 1850s there is some land left to one John Urie -
but we have no idea whether there is any connection here or not.

Can anyone help please - does any of this ring bells? So far we have been
unable to find any information regarding the girl's name or anything else
about her for that matter. Daniel jnr would have been born about 1810
(there's some confusion over his age!).

MTIA and with fingers crossed.

Mandy in Winderere
-----------------------

[Davie]

Thanks Jack
Aye, Mandy and I have been doing a joint effort on Daniel for months.
It is an interesting wee trail.
His half-brother was the Lord Mayor of Blackpool.
I doubt if we will ever find a record of his birth though.
Reports at the time of the trial in 1843, his age varies from 33 to 39.
The information from the Warden book was only obtained last week.
That is where we got the Urie info.
Good of you to pass the info on.
Awrabest
Davie

[JanetO]

Thanks Jack
Aye, Mandy and I have been doing a joint effort on Daniel for months.
It is an interesting wee trail.
His half-brother was the Lord Mayor of Blackpool.
I doubt if we will ever find a record of his birth though.
Reports at the time of the trial in 1843, his age varies from 33 to 39.
The information from the Warden book was only obtained last week.
That is where we got the Urie info.
Good of you to pass the info on.
Awrabest
Davie

Oh how I wish I had found this site before doing my own detective work on the McNaughton/tans & come to the same conclusion about the parentage of the (in)famous Daniel. Are you still interested in this topic? Are you interested in comparing notes? I don't know that I have discovered anything that you have not already found out but I have been independently working on Daniel and his family. Do you have any theories about how he came by so much money when he was arrested? Hoping to hear from you.
Janet