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Re: Help please

Post by crayspond » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:33 pm

Hi,
Two possibles for Alexander's death - Does anyone know where 91 Rutherglen Road was then? Bridgeton or Gorbals. I think now it's called Old Rutherglen Rd. He was 22 in 1861 when he married. Ages for these two are a bit out but there are no other contenders.

WRIGHT
ALEXANDER
52

1895
644/1 635
Bridgeton

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WRIGHT
ALEXANDER
51

1895
644/12 395

Gorbals

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Re: Help please

Post by Currie » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:07 am

In the 1895-96 Glasgow Directory Hutchesontown U. P. Church appears to be at about No. 73, and Hutchesontown Congregational Church at No. 173. The Thistle Street intersection is close to No. 91.
http://www.archive.org/stream/postoffic ... 8/mode/2up

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Re: Help please

Post by AndrewP » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:57 am

Hi Ailsa,

See this map from 1895.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74417037

Almost in the centre of this map is Hutchesontown UP Church. It is on the odd-numbered side of the street, with the numbers starting from the town-centre end (the north-west of this map). So the increasing odd numbers are on the north side of the street as you head outwards towards the south-east of this map. Starting at the church, head south-eastwards past the church hall and across Thistle Street. On the P.O. Directory given above by Alan, the spirit merchant at 81 Rutherglen Road will be the public house (P.H.) shown on the map on the corner of Thistle Street. The next public house on the first corner of Crown Street is addressed 124 Crown Street (seen on a 1950s map), so is not on this page of the directory. The public house on the far corner of Crown Street will be the spirit merchant listed at 111 Rutherglen Road on the directory.

From that, you can take that 91 Rutherglen Road was in the block between Thistle Street and Crown Street, between the two PH's shown on the map. By the looks of the map, most of the tenements in the area were entered by a pend (a passageway) through to the back of the building, where there was a circular stairway up the back of the building.

By the 1950s, 91 Rutherglen Road had been demolished - the site had become a playground. 124 Crown Street was still there, still a PH. Hutchesontown UP Church had become a synagogue.

1950s map: https://maps.nls.uk/view/130373659

On looking at Google Maps, the whole area has been redeveloped. Nowadays in that area there is "Old Rutherglen Road", with modern buildings, approximately following the alignment of the former Rutherglen Road, and not many of the old side-street names still existing. A short section of dual-carriageway "Laurieston Road" is now where 91 Rutherglen Road would have been.

Old to new map comparison:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by- ... ht=BingHyb

Oh, back to your question: Bridgeton or Gorbals?. The maps above are in Gorbals and its surrounding areas. By my interpretation of various maps, Bridgeton is north of the River Clyde, close to Glasgow Green (someone who knows Glasgow better than I do should be able to advise better on this).

All the best,

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Re: Help please

Post by crayspond » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:42 pm

Thanks Alan and AndrewP,

Very interesting looking at the maps from that period. My husband is from the Rutherglen area and there is a Rutherglen Road leads down to Bridgeton but I'm more inclined to think it's Gorbals. They didn't move far in these days. I'm still undecided about his age though. He should be nearer 56. I'll look again.

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Re: Help please

Post by speleobat2 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:48 pm

Ailsa,

This maybe a red herring, but the 1901 census has an Alexander Wright, Iron Moulder, age 55, living in Milton, Glasgow St. George in the Model Lodging House at 51 North Woodside Road. His age is a bit off and it says that he was born in Dalkeith instead of Glasgow, but it might be worth checking out.

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Re: Help please

Post by crayspond » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:22 pm

Hi Carol,

On the 1881 census Alexander is born in Glasgow Lanark so i don't think the Dalkeith one can be him. I have just found James, Mary and James on the 1901 census living at 12 Thistle St Gorbals.Looks like James snr is a private in the Royal Balmore? it looks like. I can't get the crop and paste to work. At least we know you found them on the 1911 census back again as an iron moulder. I wonder where Agnes is in 1901and if the two little ones are with her still.

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Re: Help please

Post by speleobat2 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:15 pm

The 1901 census has an Agnes Wright, age 60 living as a boarder in the Corporation Lodging House for Females 20 Moncur St., Glasgow St. James. Her occupation is given as Dish Hawker.

Do you know what happened to Catherine's sister Mary and sister Elizabeth?

No sign of the boys. They are lost in the crowd of Wrights living in Glasgow!

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Re: Help please

Post by speleobat2 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:01 am

Took a long shot and searched SP births for Alex* Wright, 1888-1889 and found an Alexander Wright born to Catherine Wright, silk worker in Hutchesontown. The printing is very hard to read in spots, but it looks like May. He was illegitimate and over in the far right margin I think is the word "twin". I couldn't read the street name at all. No father's name is given.

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Re: Help please

Post by AndrewP » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:43 am

Hi Carol,

From your information, I searched for surname WRIGHT in HUTCHESONTOWN from 1888 to 1889 (blank given name and both genders). It returned 13 results. Only one pair were in adjoining reference numbers: year 1889 Alexander (certificate no 1017) and Michael (certificate no 1018).

There was one other Alexander, in 1888.

Given that the 1889 birth certificate numbers from the above search were from 0618 to 2186, and they will have started at 0001 at the start of the yearbook, giving a range of 0001 to at least 2186. If 2186 may have been born in December (certainly towards the end of the year), it is reasonable for 1017 and 1018 to have been in May, assuming the birth rate to be fairly constant across the months.

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Re: Help please

Post by crayspond » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:37 pm

Hi Carol and AndrewP,
It could be Agnes Wright as the age fits but if there is no one else with her it is difficult to tell. I have tried looking for the daughters Elizabeth and Mary but as you say there are loads of Wrights in Glasgow made more difficult when they probably married and took on another name.
Very interesting about the twins Alexander and Michael - that would suggest they were Michael McGinty's children? She married him in 1891.It would look like Michael has died soon after birth as he's not on the 1891 census. A search on SP brings up 2 deaths both in Blackfriars 644/5/478 age at death 2 and 644/5/547 age at death 0 which one to look at though?
Also what happened to the other twin Alexander, he's not with the McPhee's in 1901. The plot thickens - you have both been very helpful thanks,

Ailsa

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