Where?? in Fife .....

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:27 pm

I'm mystified by an entry in the 1971 census.

I'm pretty sure Robert Dick is one of my lot -
his age is "spot on", Wall Street is given as his address 2years later at the time of his marriage, his occupation however, is not consistent with other mentions as he is a fruiterer in 1873 on his marriage entry and again in 1881, but he is then a sack merchant in 1901... - but where the heck is what looks to me like Hakisfold?? Fife. I can't even think of any place it sounds like....

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-254

As far as I'm aware this Dick family were based in the Charlestown/Limekilns area with one child claiming to be born Inverkeithing on a census.

Any suggestions as to what was meant by what looks like Hakisfold would be very welcome.

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **Tracey** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:45 pm

Hi Lesley

As far as occupations go they are nothing to go by in my experince and im sure in yours and many others. My "occupations" go from Domestic Servant to Fruiterer - Farmer to Seaman - Wood Carter to Gamekeeper and worse ( domestic to prostitute, that wasnt allowed but same thing !) .
I put your place name in google and came up with Hausfeld Fife ? My geography or knowledge of places isnt that great. I sometimes wonder if the person doing the census was offered a warm bowl of salty poridge and a wee dram ( Scottish spring being only slightly colder than an English one !) to be on his way and after a few thought "what the heck"

Sorry im not much help but am still awake unlike a lot on here

sporran · Post by **sporran** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:17 am

Hello Lesley,

look at the old maps site http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ for Limekilns in Fife. Just to the west of the pier, the road or area is Halkets Hall or Holl.

Regards,

John

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:18 am

lbathgate wrote:I'm mystified by an entry in the 1971 census.

I'm pretty sure Robert Dick is one of my lot -
his age is "spot on", Wall Street is given as his address 2years later at the time of his marriage, his occupation however, is not consistent with other mentions as he is a fruiterer in 1873 on his marriage entry and again in 1881, but he is then a sack merchant in 1901... - but where the heck is what looks to me like Hakisfold?? Fife. I can't even think of any place it sounds like....

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-254

As far as I'm aware this Dick family were based in the Charlestown/Limekilns area with one child claiming to be born Inverkeithing on a census.

Any suggestions as to what was meant by what looks like Hakisfold would be very welcome.

Best wishes
Lesley

Hi Lesley,

I think it may be Hawkiesfauld, Dunfermline.

Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and in the search box type 309227,688828 and check the co-ordinate button. This should take you to it.

Regards,
Annette M

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:57 am

Hmmmm....... not easy, I suspect that the major complication is a Greenock enumerator hearing an accent with which he is not familiar, involving a placename that he's never heard of.

The best suggestion so far is Hawkiesfauld .......... with the start being heard as "Hak" and the end being heard as "fold".

David

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:28 pm

Hi all
Many thanks for all the suggestions. It had me completely stumped.

I think I'd go with John's suggestion of west of the pier in Limekilns meantime, the road or area called Halkets Hall or Holl. Although Hawkiesfauld looks superficially like the more probable interpretation I'm pretty sure this family would have stayed in the Limekilns/Charleston area so this would make sense. The old maps site is off-line just now but when I looked at Hawkiesfauld it was, I think, north of Dunfermline, which jars a bit - it just doesn't seem likely - but I accept that I may yet live to eat my words!

I really need to check the OPRs for this bunch and that would sort it out - the Dunfermline OPR microfilms are, ...well, copious and confusing I find. It sure as heck doesn't help when they are wound on the spools back to front either!! Local library got them in new and I was all excited but then I looked at one, then another, and another - same problem with every one. I think they've very kindly sorted them all out now. However, I would confess to er, maybe trying to avoid Dunfermline OPR films where possible, and the fact they were back-to-front only delayed the inevitable....I suspect the time has come and it looks like this may be the only way to clarify what was meant.

Thanks for all the help.
If I survive Dunfermline Parish and emerge still sane, I'll report back on what it said for Robert Dick.

Best wishes
Lesley

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:01 pm

Lesley

Further info awaited with interest!

Was it defintutely a case of back to front on the reels or a lacing problem, - there's 4 different ways.

David

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:21 pm

Hi David
Oh, crikes, I dunno - all I know is that I put it on the reels the way I've always done it in that particular library and the display was a mirror-image - all the writing was back-to-front.

I stopped, thinking I'd had a "distracted" moment and must have done something wrong, but no. I checked with the library staff and they agreed the things were back to front - I think they'd been wound on the reels facing the wrong way. Dunfermline is bad enough in my opinion when its the right way round!

The census films for the area, although hugely long, are manageable 'cos I know Limekilns and Charlestown come near the end, but the OPRs always seem "all over the place" to me. And there are lots of films... although I suppose that could be seen as a good thing - at least you are in with a good chance of finding the event you are looking for.

Best wishes
Lesley

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:29 pm

Even when films have been miswound, with a bit of to and fro'ing it should be possible to solve the situation quite quickly (but in this case it sounds like there was something wrong with a batch).

Start with the reel on the same side but have the film coming off from the bottom rather than the top, or vice versa.

If that doesn't work, then try from the other side, top feed, then bottom feed.

Another frequent problem is when some kind person is towards the end of the reel, so just keeps on to the and doesn't bother rewinding, and then sticks the reel back in the box ..............

David

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:56 am

Ahh, just had a thought...

I really need to check the OPRs for this bunch

I'm not sure any of them are going to be in there... perhaps I'll need a trip to NAS?

To explain:
Some of the births on the IGI for this lot of Dicks (all born between 1801-1817) in Limekilns has the generation before Robert Dick (b.1843, he of the 1871 census, as mentioned previously in this post)as christened at "United Association Burgh Seceders", Limekilns e.g. Christian Dick b. 1801 dau of David Dick and Mary Hall.

For the next generation of Dicks (all born between 1832-1854. parents Robert Dick (b.1810) & Marion White/Whyte) all I have so far is either Charlestown or Dunfermline as the place of birth but if, as I gather, the Seceders were a breakaway group will this generation's records be in the OPRs or will it be similar to the situation with Free Church records after the disruption of 1843?

I see at:
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files/opr_app3.pdf
that GRO has within "Miscellaneous Records (MR) Containing Entries from Non-Conformist Churches Relevant to the Old Parish Records", LIMEKILNS (INVERKEITHING) BURGH SECEDERS Births 1782-1865

So does this mean I'd need to go to NRH to see them? (hey, maybe I can avoid the Dunfermline OPRs after all...?

)

Can someone please clarify?

Best wishes
Lesley

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