Help in deciphering please.....

[ellenavon]

I have uploaded the (1855!!) death cert of Robert Thomson to the gallery.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-315

Please could I have your opinions on:

Robert's place of birth.

His father Robert's occupation.

Names and ages (or deaths) of his children by his 2 marraiges.

His burial place - Parish Church ?

His nephew's (notifier) name.

Many thanks

Ellen.

URL added - AndrewP

[AndrewP]

Hi Ellen,

Give us a clue. Is the parish that the registration took place in Hamilton in the County of Lanark? If so, then the burial place looks like it could be Parish Church Yard Hamilton.

As for the children... (a bit of guesswork here)
(1st marriage)
James deceased 24 in 1829
Janet(?) 42
____ deceased 32 in 1847
Robert 38
Elizth. 36
Marion 33
____ deceased 19 in 1853
(2nd marriage)
Margaret 17
David 15
Christina 11
William deceased 3 months in 1854

There is a lot of guesswork in there. You need to be sending SP a contact form stating that the certificate is illegible. They should send you out a photocopy of the page(s) in the register - a lot easier to read.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[LesleyB]

Hi Ellen
The nephew look like his surname might be Naismith.... but its difficult to read anything here.

Best wishes
Lesley

later: Jas. [something] Naismith?

[ellenavon]

Thanks both.

Andrew, yes its Hamilton.

I'll send a contact form in.

Regards

Ellen.

[DavidWW]

A perfect example of the need for a shout for help via a contact form

Anything I or others post is always going to involve at least a degree of guesswork.

In terms of place of burial I'm 90% certain the text is

Parish Church
Yard Hamilton
As certified by
James Fisher
Undertaker

Look at the earlier column containing "Hamilton", - in this case part of the "H" is badly faded.

As to the informant, NAISMITH could well be the surname.

Father's occupation might be Weaver

David

[ellenavon]

Thanks David.

Contact form done.

The one I really can't even make a stab at till I get a better copy is of course the one I want most - Robert's place of birth! Clearly he moved to the Hamilton area when about 6 years old.

I do have him on the 1851 census index Lanarkshire with 2nd wife Margaret and 3 of the youngest kids, but of course don't have the place of birth on the index.

(If anyone has access to the 1851 before I go to Edinburgh next weekend, its Ward 658, Enum 9, Page 7, Lines 11 to 15!)

Regards

Ellen.

[DavidWW]

....snipped.........The one I really can't even make a stab at till I get a better copy is of course the one I want most - Robert's place of birth! Clearly he moved to the Hamilton area when about 6 years old.

I do have him on the 1851 census index Lanarkshire with 2nd wife Margaret and 3 of the youngest kids, but of course don't have the place of birth on the index. ....snipped.

How about Wrexham for the first line ??...........

David

[Jack]

Hi Ellen,
The 1851 Cd index has Robert THOMSON 72 as born Hamilton; as was Margaret 40, Margaret 13, David T. 11, & Elisabeth 8.

Previous to them on same page is Hamilton born John THOMSON 44 & Jane H. 35 (b Paisley), Jane H. 10, Matthew T. 8, Elizabeth 4, & David 2.

In between John & Robert is Glasgow born Margaret Taylor 79, & Argyll born Susan McKellar 19.
Jack

[ellenavon]

Jack, thank you - you are a star! Although born Hamilton certainly confuses the issue, as it says on the death cert only 69 years in the area, when he was 75, implying he was not born there. Then again, his nephew may not have had the correct info.

Yes, John Thomson is Robert's son. I've obviously not yet learned to maximise the use of my newest census discs! I should have looked at the neighbours bit.

Maybe we have different sources, but on mine, it doesn't give me place of birth - or am I missing something?

The Margaret Taylor entry is very interesting too, as Jane Thomson's maiden name was Taylor, and I've struggled a bit with her mother's side. I have her as Jean - but I'm off to see if I can link her father with a Margaret!

David - Wrexham would make things interesting! I await a response from SP with bated breath.

Thanks all for your help.

Regards

Ellen.

[Jack]

Hi Ellen,
I thought Robert as born Hamilton on the census might confuse, and i was thinking his birthplace on the DC started with a"K"!
Hopefully you'll get a nice clear copy as much of it's difficult to read. Please put it in the TS Gallery when you do get it!
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The 1851 index i used has birthplaces; issued by the Lanarkshire FHS - hope this isn't classed as advertising....
But i have no connection to them - not even as a member. I'm just a very satisfied customer!
http://www.lanarkshirefhs.org.uk/

This CD index is different from most others, and has a variety of ways to search.
You can't actually use *wildcards*, but you can search on - "Starts
with", "Ends with", "Contains".
It took me a wee while to get the hang of it - i missed a few folk at first because i didn't know the best ways of searching when i couldn't find folk by "normal" means.
There is no "neighbour search" as such, i found John Thomson 72 and noted his Parish Ref No - which includes the page Line No.
I then searched on this Ref No only, and looked at the other names on his particular page which was 7 (all pages before & after can also be looked at).
This is where the Line No comes in handy, as it tells you who was 1, 2 etc.
Son John was on line 3, Margaret Taylor on 9, and John on 11.
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Census indexes vary on info given, and many are just name, age, and Ref No, and so the original page still has to be looked at to find full details.
Which 1851 CD do have yourself?
Jack

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