Ninatoo wrote:Yes thanks David, I have Mary's death registration and I have been using wildcards to find the rest. I am sorry if this sounds impatient, but please remeber I was not brought up in Scotland so some of the less obvious pronunciations are going to get past me, as well as some that seem natural to Scots at home. Giving me obscure hints is too much of a frustrating tease for me with this family....they have REALLY gotten under my skin.
Would care to actually TELL me where John's is please? How about being more open about which name/spelling to search for, if you know them? Given that I have spent well over what I would like in order to find these records already, I asked for help here. I usually only asked for help when I am truly stuck. So please, any direct assistance?
Nina
(a) I'm not aware of having provided "obscure" hints.
(b) I'm not talking about Scottish accents, but Irish accents, i.e. McINTEE being heard by a Scottish ear when pronounced by someone from Ireland (Ulster?, would be my suspicion) so spelt as McENTEE by the Scottish hearer. I believe that I made this perfectly clear, thereby making the point that such an approach could avoid problems such as here where a wildcard search would produce many McINTYREs, and maybe problematic others.
You indicated a possible/probable Irish connection.
This subject in general, and in particular as regards the effect of Irish accents on Scottish ears has been covered on many previous occasions on TalkingScot.
(c) "
but not so John's ............. " means exactly what it says, i.e. I can't find it.
Maybe he didn't depart this mortal coil in Scotland, but was living with the family of one of his wains, quite often the case after the death of the spouse, this family having emigrated, so living furth of Auld Scotia, be that as close as the country of the "Auld Enemy", or as far away as Aotearoa, - the Land of the Long White Cloud, - I can quote examples of both.
Had I had the time and the inclination, I'd have developed the situation as in the previous para in my first reply, but had believed that I'd answered your main question in respect of the 1891 and 1901 censuses.
(d) It would have allowed the use of 6 credits for someone else, had you made it clear that you already have the death register entry for Mary, which, inter alia, provides the valuable information that John was shown as being alive when his wife died.
(e) Your main question related to finding the family in the later censuses and I believe that I provided you with the information to enable you to go direct to these in 1891 and 1901, with the minimal expenditure of SP credits, despite a glitch re the wife's given name in 1891, to which I referred, but everything else fits, including the Head's occupation, and a 20 year old Bernard.
It's always possible that the 1891 family is a different John Mc[I/E]NTEE, also a mason, but a quick check of the Bernards born around 1870 should clear that one up, - I can only see the one............., never mind the fact that 3 of the 1891 entry wains are shown as born in Shotts.
I'm assuming, of course, that you don't already have these 1891 and 1901 census entries.
(f) As sporran notes, (he's also a SPUG member), as a member of the GROS/SP User Group, I receive an allocation of free credits from GROS/ScotlandsPeople.
The primary puprose of these is to beta-test the periodic site upgrades and updates, with a secondary, but still very important objective being to continue to "test drive" the SP site in general and look for basic problems, plus flaws in the search methods and the results, - and there still are a few gremlins lurking in there; although, to be fair to GROS/SoL, many fewer as time goes by (it used to be the situation that problems previously solved re-occurred after major upgrades, but I don't recall that having happened for long time), - the latest gremlin that I discovered turning out to be one that had been reported by another SPUG member some months ago.
Using examples posted by TS members provides good examples to feed into the above process, but it will only be on very rare occasions that the information I find will be provided on a plate to anybody; instead just pointers in the right direction.
Looking at such examples frequently provides a better insight to optimum search strategies on SP, - in fact not just SP, but also the combination of SP, FamilySearch, Ancestry, and a range of other resources such as various Scottish FHS indexes, census and others, plus sources furth of Auld Scotia, - all this in the context of an ever increasingly greater number of on-line resources, so that determining optimum search strategies is actually becoming ever more of a challenge; where there is sensible advice on optimum search strategies these are most often reflected where appropriate in FAQ posts here on TS..............
(g) In conjunction with my retiral from the TalkingScot AdminGroup, retiral, along with my wife, from our full-time jobs, and a move back to our "home county" I'll be spending a significantly lower amount of time on TalikngScot.
That's not to say that I won't still pick up on what I perceive as interesting queries on TalkingScot, but your response sets me back on my heels; and leads me to the realisation that it's maybe time that I started looking elsewhere as well for queries that take my interest.
After all, there's several other ScotlandsPeople UserGroup members who are regular or occasional contributors on TalkingScot; so maybe it's time I spread myself around a bit
An alternative that I'll now consider more often in the future is providing the info to posters via PM or email.
David