THOMAS DOUGLAS b c 1806 Erroll Perth

[kenspeckle]

Hi Sarah many thanks for looking at him as often new eyes will see something that has been missed

Yes spot on Euphemia McKinlay was born in Abbotshall

Good Grief the Ancestry mob must get on the port at times ... as the original record in Edinburgh is ? fairly ? readable
Pencille is actually PRINGLE
I sometimes find folk on ancestry census just by putting in fist names and place of birth & aprox year .... its still cheaper than going through Scotlands people initially for census records
YES I trust freecen 100% I was helping to transcribe it but my eyes were giving me problems so I had to stop and lots of checks in place on that

Jessie Scott Douglas went to Melbourne as did her Mother and new Hubby my Cousin Kerry found a lot on them
Euphemia arrived in NZ in 1861 leaving London 1860
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Esta ... gidia.html

& Mary Ann Mckinlay Douglas also went to Melbourne then to NZ and Elizabeth Mansefield Douglas died in 1851 & Agnes McPherson Douglas died 1854 in Edinburgh
They were to do with the Bristo St Congregational Church

Can't figure why no birth or christening record for Euphemia b Edinburgh 1845 circa before the marriage I thought in those days the church gave them a bit of bother for that maybe why they went to the Bristo St one but only the other girls were christened there Euphemia just happened

interestingly I just had another look at the shipping record for 1860 and noticed that an Isabella McPherson of Edinburgh was on the same ship as Euphemia the first born (I may be clutching at straws now) 15 seems young but most likely she got a servant job and as Mother had married another man she may have been wanting to get away or been told to get away ? and then the new hubby he is another mystery ....born in NY c 1826 John Manworth Wilson no records on him or his parents found either and his mother has an unusual surname MANWORTH his father noted as John a Horsebreaker on marriage 19 AUG 1861   as James on Death cert 1864 Melb .....he was a chemist by trade then
2 hubbys down 1 to go maybe she poisoned them

[SarahND]

Pencille is actually PRINGLE

!!!! And what were the Pringles doing in 1851, since you have the actual image...? I'm quite curious about the "Baren Brener Master Employing" occupation

Regards,
Sarah

[kenspeckle]

Hi Sarah Thomas & James Pringle were Barley Brewers for beer in Edinburgh ... regards lesley

[SarahND]

Hi Lesley,
Thanks for the word on the Pringles... I thought maybe there was the word "brewer" in there somewhere!

I see what you mean about John Wilson... a mysterious character. One wonders how much he was making up? There are countless John Wilsons, born in New York around the right time, who are scattered all over the U.S. in 1850 & 1860, single and unattached to any other Wilson in sight, not to mention any Manworths...

Now, for some reason I can't fathom, when I did a global search on Ancestry.com for John Wilson from New York, this record came up in the 1851 Scotland Census-- Could his birthplace actually be in New York state underneath the garbled transcription? And there is the extra bonus of a family of McPhersons for you, although none of them is Agnes ;-) AND, the head of the household, who appears to keep a temperance hotel, is named Thomas and was born in Errol, Perth And of course all the little Martian children This is one of the most fanciful Ancestry transcriptions I have come upon yet-- enjoy!

1851
31 St Johns Street, Perth, Perthshire
Thomas McPherson, 43, Head of F, born Parish of Errol C of, Perth, Tenforance Hotel Keeper
Margret McPherson, 42, Wife, born Parish St Martians, Perth, Superintend Hotel Keeper
James McPherson, 18, Son, born Paish of St Martians, Perth, Ap Soda Water Manufacture
Alexander McPherson, 13, Son, born Paish of St Martians, Perth, Scholar
Margaret McPherson, 11, Daughter, born Paish of St Martians, Perth, Scholar
Thomas McPherson, 9, Son, born Paish of St Martians, Perth, Scholar
Agness Kidd, 23, Servant, born Paish of St Martians, Perth, Domestic Serv
Margret Hedman, 20, Servant, born Paish of St Martians, Perth, Domestic Serv
James Bailie, 37, Visitor, born Kilwining, Airshire, Commerciel Feavilie Geneel Provision
John Wilson, 23, Visitor, born Ch, Glaryord Saurston Parish Luk, Commirciel Fravilir Manhester Gonts
Helen Christie, 51, Visitor, born P of Auchterhouse, Forfar, House Keeper
Kenneth McKenzie, 53, Visitor, born Aberdeen, Minister of Borrordstoness

Probably of no use except entertainment...
Regards,
Sarah

[kenspeckle]

it is interesting though the McPherson I am at the moment trying to find any links with McPhersons to Douglas have found a couple of Douglas with middle name McPherson via Hugh Wallis IGI Middle names http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/
I cant make out John Wilsons birth place at all its a real doozy first up I thought Corston in Somerset but the Luk may be Lanark I went through all the John Wilsons in LDS to see if I could get a place that looked as if it may be transcribed as it is but nothing was positive
Glaryord could be Glasgow if you try doing fancy writing
Saurston Lauriston ?
only real way is to look at the original and see what it looks like
best regards lesley