Can't read MC & DC very well

[nelmit]

Hi all,

The only William Goudie born around 1862 in Ayr seems to be the illegitimate son of Janet Goudie. Have you checked this birth on SP Dennis? I wondered if her mother's name was given as her maiden name When william married.

Then I found this marriage -

WILLIAM GOUDIE

Spouse: JANET MCCOSKRIE
Marriage: 12 DEC 1829 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland

Pretty sure this is her in 1841-

Piece: SCT1851/612 Place: St. Quivox -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 7f
Civil Parish: St. Quivox Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Wallacetown
Folio: 0 Page: 9 Schedule: 39
Address: Wallace Street, Wallacetown

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GOUDIE Janet Head W F 41 Hand Sewer Ayrshire - Ayr
GOUDIE Sarah Dau U F 18 Hand Sewer Ayrshire - Ayr
GOUDIE Ann Dau U F 16 Hand Sewer Ayrshire - Ayr
GOUDIE Janet Dau U F 12 Hand Sewer Ayrshire - Ayr
GOUDIE Isabella Dau - F 7 Scholar Ayrshire - Ayr

There are 3 other illegitimate children, Annabella, Peter and John, born to a Janet Goudie.

In 1871 she is living with her 2 sons Peter and John. Annabella is with her gran.

Unfortunately the biggest hole in my theory is that there is no William living with her or the gran in 1871. Or maybe I have the wrong family completely.

Anyway better get to bed.

Kind regards,
Annette

PS
That Janet Goudie is still living in Ayr in 1881.

Dwelling: 59 Cross St
Census Place: St Quivox, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203590 GRO Ref Volume 578 EnumDist 22 Page 26
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Janet GOUDIE U 40 F St Quivox, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Sewer
Peter GOUDIE U 15 M St Quivox, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Apprentice Painter
Mary MC DONALD U 40 F Maybole, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Mill Worker

[AndrewP]

Janet Goudie, ms McCroskey died in Ayrshire in 1882. The informant was Archibald Brown, grand-daughter's husband. Does that help, or does it make for more puzzlement?

Janet Goudie (junior), a sewer, died in Ayr (Garden Street, St Quivox) in 1885. The informant to the registrar was a nurse. How reliable was her information? She named Janet's father as Peter, and mother's name not known.

In my mind, there's not enough proof to say that these two are, or are not mother and daughter for sure.

All the best,

AndrewP

[nelmit]

Janet Goudie, ms McCroskey died in Ayrshire in 1882. The informant was Archibald Brown, grand-daughter's husband. Does that help, or does it make for more puzzlement?

Janet Goudie (junior), a sewer, died in Ayr (Garden Street, St Quivox) in 1885. The informant to the registrar was a nurse. How reliable was her information? She named Janet's father as Peter, and mother's name not known.

In my mind, there's not enough proof to say that these two are, or are not mother and daughter for sure.

All the best,

AndrewP

Here are the girls born to this William and Janet McCroskey/McCloskie matching the 1851 census (apart from Mary)-

ANN GOUDIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 NOV 1834 St. Quivox And Newton, Ayr, Scotland

24. ANN GOUDIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 NOV 1834 St. Quivox And Newton, Ayr, Scotland

25. JANET GOUDIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 19 JUN 1836 St. Quivox And Newton, Ayr, Scotland

26. JANET GOUDIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 14 JUL 1838 St. Quivox And Newton, Ayr, Scotland

27. SARAH GOUDIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 APR 1832 St. Quivox And Newton, Ayr, Scotland

28. ISABELLA GOUDIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 23 SEP 1843 St. Quivox And Newton, Ayr, Scotland

29. MARY GOUDIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 24 DEC 1840 St. Quivox And Newton, Ayr, Scotland


I wondered if Janet named her daughter Annabella after her 2 sisters or is that me just seeing what I want to see again.

I think this is Annabella's birth in 1858

ANNABELLA EASTON GOLDIE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 09 FEB 1858 Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland

Parents:
Mother: JANET GOLDIE

and William -

WILLIAM GOUDIE

Event(s):
Birth: 05 JAN 1862 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland

Parents:
Mother: JANET GOUDIE

Peter -

PETER EASTON GOUDIE

Event(s):
Birth: 25 AUG 1865 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland

Parents:
Mother: JANET GOUDIE

and John -

JOHN GOUDIE

Event(s):
Birth: 05 APR 1869 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
Parents:
Mother: JANET GOUDIE

Would be interesting to know if they were all born to the same Janet Goudie.


Kind regards,
Annette

[nelmit]

I'm like a wee dog wae a good bone on this one!

Ann Goudie married Peter Easton in 1855. I'm positive this is Janet junior's sister as 2 of her children had the middle name of Easton.

A Janet Easton married an Archibald Brown in 1878


Still doesn't help with William though. Found him in all census records except 1871 and no clues - except he did name one of his daughters Annabella.................

Regards,
Annette

[Dennis]

Hi:)

Where I'm looking at this from is if William was the illegitimate for Janet goudie and registered as so, in the RCE it has James Shankland as his father then could it be that since we can't find any record of William's mom using the maiden name of McCroscry/McCrosery that she made that last name up and James changed his name to Goudie in order to maintain a deception to William.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1481

dennis

Gallery URL added - AndrewP

[jimanjulan]

Thia is my family. William did in fact have a daughter called Annabella who was well known as Annie throughout her life. I grew up not knowing Annie personally but knowing of our families Auntie Annie, my Mum knew her well. My Gran is Margaret Goudie, daughter of Alexander Bowes Goudie, the son of Agnes Bowes and William Goudie. Alexanders wife was my great Gran and she passed away in 1987.
We have also looked into the illegitimate claim but there is a note to say that the childs father was listed elsewhere.
What I can't figure out is why Agnes was in Dunoon when she died and why her death took two months to register? She had at least 12 children, 3 died as toddlers, 3 just after marriage. One committed suicide, a family sotry passed down over the years which turned out to be true.
Agnes had several living children at the time as well as William so I wonder why she was in Dunoon.

[Russell]

Hi
And welcome to

You haven't told us why dying in Dunoon was odd. Was she normally living in Glasgow in other info you have found ? Nor what date this took place.
Dunoon was a favourite place for health clinics and nursing homes especially if folk lived in the city. Good clean seaside air was supposed to be good for your health. What was the address given on her death certificate?. It usually says the address at which the person died and 'usual address' underneath that.
With a little more information we might be able to figure it out.
One of my wife's relatives died in Innellan just a mile or two outside Dunoon. This baffled us at first until we found out that her husband maintained a house in Paisley so that he could keep on his joinery /timber business and came over at the weekend. Some wealthier folk travelled over by ferry every day and commuted to Glasgow and that was in the 1880's.

Hope we can help you solve this one

Russell

[nelmit]

Hi Russell,

The details of her death were posted earlier in this thread by Andrew -

Here's my attempt at the death certificate:

Agnes Bowes or Goudie, Housewife, Married
1920 About 9.30 o'clock am on 12th June 1920,
within 2 Elmbank Buildings, John Street, Dunoon,
Usual residence 177 Claythorn Street, Glasgow.
F, 56 years.
Father: Alexander Bowes, Shoemaker, Deceased
Mother: Margaret Bowes, M.S. Galloway, Deceased
Natural Causes, probably Heart Failure.
Registered on the information of Andrew R Nimmo, Procurator Fiscal.
Registered: 1920 August 19th at Dunoon, John Dobie, Registrar.

All the best,

AndrewP

It looks likely she may have been on holiday and then with a sudden death it was reported to the PF.

Regards,
Annette