Birth registration question

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Post by speleobat2 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:51 pm

About the marriages:

I pulled up the OPR's for George Clerihew and Sophia Chalmers. Previously, I had purchased the OPR for Inverurie and that does say after the banns were proclaimed... they were married on the 13th of June.

I just purchased the OPR for Oyne which is very simple:

June 13 George Clerihew in this Parish and Sophia Chalmers in the Parish of Inverury were married.

It doesn't mention the banns and it does sound more like an announcement than a ceremony, but all the entries on this page read like this and surely some of them must have been marriages....

Carol :-k
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
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Post by Currie » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:00 pm

There’s a summary of the 1854 Act “An Act for the better Registration of Births, Deaths, and Marriages in Scotland”
in A Digest of the Law of Scotland: by Hugh Barclay, 1855 from page 886.
http://www.google.com.au/books?id=p4ADAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA886

26. Births and Deaths.—Every Registrar shall inform himself carefully of every birth or death which shall happen in his parish or district, and register without fee or reward (except as after provided) all particulars according to the schedules A and В annexed, and where birth is in parish different from parish of domicile, he shall transmit to such other parish, if known, one copy of entry within eight days, which shall be transcribed into the register of parish of domicile, with name of parish of birth marked on the margin.

27. Parents, etc., to inform of Birth.—Parents, or in case of inability, person in charge of child born, and the occupier of house in which child born, and the nurse present at birth, and in case of illegitimate children, the mother, or in case of her inability, the said other person, shall within twenty-one days of birth, under a penalty not exceeding 20s., attend personally and give information of the particulars in Schedule A, and sign the register, and failing to give information, such persons and any other person having knowledge of the particulars shall, on being required, within three months after date of birth, under penalty of 40s., attend personally and give the said particulars.

Read directly or Click on “View Plain Text” and watch for OCR errors or download the book (but you lose the text overlay).

Interesting stuff,
Alan

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Post by Chris Paton » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:05 pm

speleobat2 wrote: I pulled up the OPR's for George Clerihew and Sophia Chalmers. Previously, I had purchased the OPR for Inverurie and that does say after the banns were proclaimed... they were married on the 13th of June.

I just purchased the OPR for Oyne which is very simple:

June 13 George Clerihew in this Parish and Sophia Chalmers in the Parish of Inverury were married.

It doesn't mention the banns and it does sound more like an announcement than a ceremony, but all the entries on this page read like this and surely some of them must have been marriages....

Carol :-k
Hi Carol,

They are both recording the the fact that the marriage took place simply because banns must have been called in both parishes, not because they married twice. Banns were not always recorded in the registers, sometimes it was just the fact that they had married, or that a certain sum had been paid in contract money.

When you are really lucky, you will get a detailed record such as this for my 4xgreat grandparents in Perth:

"FEBRUARY 1798

Perth the Third of February One Thousand Seven Hundred and Ninety eight contracted William Paton, Soldier in the second battalion of Breadalbanes Fencibles and Christian Hay, Daughter to the Deceased Lauchlan Hay, Resident in Perth, Parties both in this Parish Elder Thomas Robertson

The Persons before named were regularly proclaimed and married the seventh day of February said year by Mr Duncan MacFarlan Minister of the Gaelic Chapel in Perth."

The Kirk Session records for Perth also give a note of how much they had to pay to the church for the privilege (CH2/521/26/485):

"7 March 1798 Contract Money

From William Paton and Christian Hay Three shillings and fourpence".


In fact, in some parishes, you will even get the names of cautioners standing guarantors that the parties will marry, subject to the forfeit of the contract money etc. But at the other extreme, you get ministers who very grudgingly recorded anything at all!

It is worth checking the kirk session registers in addition to the OPRs - as shown, these sometimes list payments received for the proclaiming of banns and/or contract money, and occasionally may add more info as to where the ceremony happened. In fact, many of the marriage records you download from SP are in fact records kept in the Kirk session minutes, and not from a birth register at all.

Some of the entries in the Oyne list will indeed have been marriages performed there, but the minister in Oyne was obviously just not as meticulous with his record keeping than some others in parishes elsewhere!

Chris

UPDATE: I should also add that it was possible to marry in a church without banns, if a certificate of proclamation was issued by the Session Clerk giving the minister authority to do so without the banns actually being called, though it became considerably harder to do so after 1825 when the General Assembly got a bit narked over it all! :)
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Post by joette » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:10 pm

Yes I have one where the Father was billeted at Glencorse Barracks.The Mother goes to Mother's house in Penicuik to give birth.
The birth is then recorded twice once in Glencorse & once in Penicuik-first by the Mother & then by the Father.
At least they gave the same particulars.
Some would argue that Glencorse is in Penicuik anyway.
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Post by speleobat2 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:38 pm

Thanks to all of you! This is interesting stuff because it gives us a glimpse into the everyday life of our relatives circa 1829 or whenever.

The rules were made up to bring order to society, but being humans our relatives didn't always follow them.

Chris: You're lucky to get a wordy minister or registrar! It's the same with gravestones. I keep hoping for the kind with a whole book inscribed on them!

Next question:

How soon after the wedding in Inverurie would the "registration" in Oyne have taken place and did both parties have to be present? Sophia was 7 1/2 months pregnant at this point. I can't picture her hiking from Inverurie to Oyne on her wedding day and I'm sure they couldn't afford to hire a coach. A horse? No, I don't even want to think about that trip! :shock:

Carol
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

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Post by SarahND » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:40 pm

Hi Carol,
I have one also that was registered twice, first in Foveran, Aberdeenshire (the mother's parish) and then in Old Machar (the parish of the father and where the couple was living). I also have one OPR baptism recorded in 1810 in Logie Buchan, Aberdeenshire (the father's parish), but which really took place on a ship in Rio de Janeiro :shock: :lol:

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All the best,
Sarah

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Post by speleobat2 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:27 pm

Hi Sarah,

Just goes to show how ingeneous and determined our ancestors were!

It might create more work for us, but this does offer an explanation of how a relative could be registered in one place when we know his/her parents lived somewhere else.

I have many "stray" Clerihews in my lists. Maybe by looking for grandparents in other locations, I can sort out a few of them. Of course, the big IF remains--if I can find out their mother's name in the first place! :)

Carol
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary