Need help finding an 1871-1872 birth.....

[nelmit]

Hi Jack
I looked up the Catherine Campbell birth and the address is 139 Saltmarket. Mother Margaret Campbell, shirtmaker. I cannot find Joseph or Margaret or Charles in the 1871 census. There are quite a number of Margaret Stewarts and also Charles Stewarts and I viewed a lot of them until my credits ran out. I also looked at quite a few deaths for Joseph between 1869 and 1876, there are not that many but none of them is him. I am beginning to wonder if he died somewhere other than Lanark.
I guess you are right, it is back to the drawing board, at least until I can afford another bunch of credits.
Thanks, Cathie

Hello Cathie,

Nothing to add except a bit of advice when searching the census and you are not sure of district.

In this case when you search for Charles St*rt in Lanark age between 2 & 3 you get nine 'hits' all Stewart. If you search for Margaret Stewart in Lanark age 20 -25 (in case of any wee fibs, although if you have her marriage that is another check on her age) you get 44 'hits'. Looking at these three pages will cost you 3 credits.

You can then compare all the GROS data and if you come up with a Margaret and a Charles with the same GROS number then you could view that record as it means there is a Charles and Margaret Stewart on the same page.

I gave them as an example as I think you've searched all you can for them.

I have found this method fairly successful when searching for common names. I know it won't always work if they are apart on census night but I alway think it's worth a shot in the first instance and cheaper than looking at all the wrong records.

Hope you followed all that.

Annette M

[CathieL]

Hello Jack and Annette,
Margaret and Joseph's wedding cert. says they were both pottery workers and they both lived at 98 NEW WYND Glasgow.
Charles was born at 57 CASTLE STREET Glasgow.
Margaret and William's wedding cert. says he was a coal dealer and she was a seamstress.They both lived at 113 CROWN STREET Glasgow.
1881 census Margaret and William lived at 66 HOSPITAL STREET and he is now a bricklayers labourer, no occupation for Margaret.
1891 census they lived at 14 SOUTH WELLINGTON STREET, William is still a bricklayer's labourer and Margaret is a shirt backer? The first letter is definitely a B.
Funny thing is Catherine is no longer living with the family in 1891, she is a boarder at 113 CROWN STREET!

Annette, thank you for the tips on searching, that makes much more sense than just blundering through them hoping for the best, would certainly save a lot of money AND smooth my ruffled feathers!
Regards to both of you
Cathie

[Jack]

Hi Cathie,

Looks like your granny is Catherine CAMPBELL born 14 Apr 1872 at 139 Saltmarket....
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1871 cens 644-4 Ed 18 p 12 (Calton - St. Andrews)
139 Saltmarket.
Margaret STEWART, head, widow, 23, shirt maker, b Tyrone, Ireland
Charles STEWART, son, 2, --------- b St. Andrews, Glasgow
Bridget CAMPBELL, sister, u/m 21, servant, b Tyrone, Ireland
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Jack
ps, good advice from Annette on searching censuses - i find it a very successful method.
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[nelmit]

Hi Cathie,

Looks like your granny is Catherine CAMPBELL born 14 Apr 1872 at 139 Saltmarket....
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1871 cens 644-4 Ed 18 p 12 (Calton - St. Andrews)
139 Saltmarket.
Margaret STEWART, head, widow, 23, shirt maker, b Tyrone, Ireland
Charles STEWART, son, 2, --------- b St. Andrews, Glasgow
Bridget CAMPBELL, sister, u/m 21, servant, b Tyrone, Ireland
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Jack
ps, good advice from Annette on searching censuses - i find it a very successful method.
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Well done Jack!

Cathie,

I think a contact form to SP is in order here as, when I did a search as described in my previous post, this record was not an option to view.
I've run out of time now so I can't check again.

Annette M

[CathieL]

Hello Jack and Annette
It looks like you were right! Why would she have the name Campbell when her mother could have use the name Stewart and the the fact that there is Margaret's sister living there makes me a little suspicious. I am away from my own computer until Thursday night so I wll have to wait before I can get back to it, woe is me! The fact that it mentions a specific place in Ireland is an extra bonus when I am ready to search back farther, and it also narrows down the time of Joseph's death, although now I know he is not Catherine's father.
Thank you Thank You Thank You, now I can quit tearing my hair out.
You have both just made my day
Cathie.

[Jack]

Hi Cathie,

Maybe Catherine's 1872 birth had to be registered under mother Margaret's maiden name because she was a widow?
The TS experts will be able to explain though.
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Surprisingly i couldn't find a Poor Law record for young widow Margaret Campbell.
But there is one for sister Bridget (md Patrick Cunningham). Would you like it posted?
Or will i send it to you first, and leave that decision to yourself?
Nothing scandalous in it! Says Bridget is born Omagh, Co Tyrone, and mentions her other siblings.

Annette was going to get it on Friday, but last minute family commitments prevented this - by luck i managed to the Mitchell yesterday before it closes till Sep.
Something curious - discovered that someone else had looked at Bridget's record just last Wed....

Jack

[CathieL]

Hello Jack
Yes, please go ahead and post it, if it names some of the siblings it might help when I try to find Margaret's family in Ireland which I know is going to be difficult. I replied to the private message but it seems to be still in the outbox instead of the sent box so I probably did not do it right! In case you did not get it, the answer was also yes.
Thanks Cathie

[Jack]

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GLASGOW POOR LAW RECORD
D-HEW 10/4/85; page 173. No. D40946.

Bridget Campbell Cunningham
Applied - 1.45pm 5 Oct 1892
39 East Lyon St. 1st low left
Born - Omagh, County Tyrone, Ireland
Inspector's visit - 3.15pm 7 Oct 1892
Widow, 43yrs, Housewife, R.C.
Disability - Debility & Privation. Has 4 children (Dr. Findlay)
Dependants -
James 13 1/2 yrs, b. 96 Abercromby St, 23 Apr 1879, in 4th standard at St. Michael's RC School
Jane 11 3/12 yrs, b. New Monkland, 12 Jul 1881
Mary 8 4/12 yrs, b. 12 Auburn Place, 17 May 1884
Bridget 5 8/12 yrs, b. 65 Armour St, 3 Feb 1887
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Daur of Charles Campbell, a shoemaker & Jane Hamilton, both dead.
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Other information -
Patrick 17 1/2 yrs, b 76 Abercromby St, 22 Apr 1875. an apprentice compositor
with Daniel Barr Jnr. 11 Ewing Place, Parkhead, earns 5/- weekly
William 16 yrs, b 96 Abercromby St, in the same Printing Office, earning 4/6 weekly

Husband Patrick Cunningham, born in County Sligo, a chemical grinder,
died 10 Aug 1892 at 3 Comely Park Place, age 52.
son of Patrick Cunningham, a farmer & Bridget Devridge?, both dead.
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1st Application. Settlement - Ireland.
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Remarks -
Married 10 Jul 1874 at St. Andrews RC Chapel by Fr. Alexander Munro as per extract seen.
Applicant's brother James, was in navy when last heard of 9 yrs ago
Sister Catherine, single, a servant, address unknown
Sister Jane, widow Wilkinson, +4 [children] in Ireland
Sister Margaret, married, +2 to William McAleer, labourer, about Rose St, SS [South Side]
Husbands brother John, a labourer, single, address unknown

House is a large single apartment. Clean. Rent 9/9 monthly.
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Particulars of settlement -
In 39 East Lyon St, Glasgow [means parish of] 7 days
Prior - 194 Great Eastern Rd, Barony [means parish of] 1 mth
3 Comely Park Place, Glasgow, 2 yrs
534 Duke St, Barony, 9 mths
12 Auburn Place, Parkhead, Barony, 1 yr
21 Nisbet St, Barony, 1 yr
65 Armour St, Glasgow, 6-8 mths
Glen Lone, New Monkland, 4 mths
96 Abercromby St, Glasgow, 2 yrs abt.
76 Abercromby St, Glasgow, 4 yrs 6 mths
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She left Ireland when she was 17 yrs old, and husband when he was 15 yrs.
At husband's death she got £16 18/- from the Prudential Society
Paid undertaker £4 15/-. Rent & clothing abt £7. Repaid loans abt £4 or £5.

She applied to Barony 8 Sep 1892 and has since got 15/- Barony record 3/3677.
Aliment of 5/- per wk paid till 5 Oct 1892
Neighbours at 3 Comely Park Place speak favourably of her.
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7 Oct 1892 - offered Poor House till Committee
8 Oct 1892 - ?--? Comm.
18 Oct 1892 - Gen. Relief Comm. aliment granted 5/- wkly
3 Nov 1892 - 5/-
25 May 1893 - aliment reduced to 4/- wkly
22 Aug 1894 - aliment reduced to 3/- wkly
6 May 1898 - Referred to Barony. Residing 28 Auburn Place.
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[CathieL]

Hello Jack
I am amazed all all this information, now I can maybe find Margaret and Bridget's family in Ireland. I had a look at the 1901 census for Margaret and William (using the system Annette told me about) and could not find them. Then I looked using their youngest son's name and I found William with the son and he was a widower again. Knowing that Margaret was alive in 1898 at Catherine's marriage made it real easy to find Margaret's death in 1899. Thank you so much for all this, I now feel like I am (as my mother used to say) getting on like a wee house on fire!
Cathie