Help in search for death cert please

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:19 am

Thanks Jean and Annette,

If you are right then i probably don't stand much chance of finding them in Ireland ! I looked on freecen for Thomson and Stoker in 1871 but nothing came up. It may be the Thomsons' moved there as well. Luckily for me James decided to come back to Partick and had one child in Glasgow (all the others were born in Ireland) so i could find them after that, but the mystery of what happened to Margaret still bugs me !!

Thanks again,

Ailsa

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:16 am

Ailsa,

Was Margaret’s husband actually working as a Baker in Partick when he died or was he the fellow doing something else who met with an accident?

It’s just that in the Glasgow Herald between 1860 and about 1866 there’s a series of Wanted Ads placed by a Mrs McFarlane, Baker, initially at Peel Street and later at Hamilton Place, Partick. It sounds a bit like a widow running her late husband’s business. Following on from that there are various things for a John McFarlane, Baker, Hamilton Place (or Terrace), Partick which continue until the end of the Century.

It doesn’t seem to fit but just thought I’d mention it.

Alan

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:51 pm

Hi Alan,

He was a Saw Sharpener and the following is the sad case of what happened to him

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Friday, October 17, 1856
Melancholy Case of Suicide.—On Wednesday evening, about half-past five o'clock, a man named Dugald M'Farlane, a saw sharper to trade, and residing in Partick, committed suicide by leaping into the river about a mile below Partick. The act was observed by several labourers, who were at work in the vicinity, but before they could render any assistance, the unfortunate man had disappeared. The body was recovered in about ten minutes afterwards, but life was extinct. Deceased, who was in a desponding state of mind, consequent on the unsuccessful issue of a law case, has left a widow and six children, five of whom are unable to earn their livelihood.

There’s also an advert placed by Smith & Rodger, Middleton Iron Shipyard, Govan, in the Glasgow Herald, July 14, 1854, accusing a list of employees, including a Dugald McFarlane from 1st July, of deserting their employment. It warns other shipbuilders against employing them and there seems to be a threat of legal action .

Although it is strange that both the sons James and Dougald jnr were apprentice bakers - maybe she went into business? does it give any other names? she did have a son John also.

Ailsa

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:01 pm

Alan,

Forgot to mention that Dougald McFarlane Snr he was a Baker on his wedding cert when he married Margaret Christie in Perth in 1837.

Ailsa

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:43 pm

This is what i am faced with - i have put in the following search

You searched for: Surname: "m**farlan*"; Use Soundex: Off; Forename: "margaret"; Relative Forename: helen; Sex: "Both"; Age From: 30; Age To: 50; Year: 1861;
I put Helen in because she is sure to still be with her Mum.
Can anyone look for me on Ancestry at the ones round about 37 - 42 ?

1 1861 MACFARLANE MARGARET F 38 CALLANDER /PERTH 336/00 001/00 003 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1861 MCFARLANE MARGARET F 48 AUCHTERGAVEN /PERTH 330/00 004/00 016 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1861 MCFARLANE MARGARET F 42 KILMADOCK /PERTH 362/00 004/00 024 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1861 MCFARLANE MARGARET F 39 KILSPINDIE /PERTH 363/00 002/00 004 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
5 1861 MCFARLANE MARGARET F 37 GREENOCK OLD OR WEST /RENFREW 564/03 011/03 003 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
6 1861 MCFARLANE MARGARET F 39 GLASGOW CENTRAL DISTRICT GLASGOW/LANARK 644/01 089/01 013 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
7 1861 MCFARLANE MARGARET F 30 MILTON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/07 032/07 001 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
8 1861 MCFARLANE MARGARET F 32 BRIDGETON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 074/03 009 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
9 1861 MCFARLANE MARGARET F 50 CLYDE GLASGOW/LANARK 644/05 053/05 014 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

Many thanks,

Ailsa

Post by **emanday** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:27 pm

Hi Ailsa,

Ancestry don't have Scottish BDM's.

I'm afraid we usually have to resort to the "stick a pin in one" (figuratively speaking that is!), bite the bullet and pay for the Scotland's People image.

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:48 pm

Hi Mary.

Sorry i should have said it is the census for 1861 that i have posted. Maybe it's the same though.

Ailsa

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:26 pm

Ailsa I'll be happy to share all the Ancestry census info you think you need to see but honestly I've checked all the Margaret's and none fit like the one with Mr Stoker!.

Can we jump back to the six kids for moment please. The newspaper article that mentioned Mr. McFarlane leaving a widow and six children. Have you managed to find names for all of them???

I'm coming up with possibles of ...

1. Isabella b. Perth abt 1837
2. Margaret b. Partick abt 1844
3. James b. Partick abt 1846
4. Dugald b. Partick abt 1849
5. Elisabeth b. Partick abt 1850
6. Hellen b. Partick abt 1852
7. John b. Partick abt 1854

and I wonder at the big gap in births from 1837 to 1844. Surely there may have been another child or miscarriage or two in there. Anyhow...if Mr. McFarlane died abt Oct 1856 then these all fit yet one of them must have died. Which one? Well I'm betting on Elisabeth since she's not with the Stoker family in 1861 yet this must have occured prior to statutory registration as I'm not finding a death on SP. Soooo...my attention is drawn toward Margaret. SHe's there in 1851 and not in 1861. By then she would have been about 17 so old enough to be working on her own...but where is she?

Wellll....there is this one in 1861 I kinda like the looks of...

Name: Margaret McFarlane
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Patrick, Dumbartons
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 35 Hill St
Occupation: Cotton Bleach
ED: 35
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1861_108
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Downie 40
Sarah Mofat 16
Margaret McFarlane 17

but I'm not yet seeing a likely marriage.

Do you happen to have any idea what happened to James big sister Margaret?? If she survived and married in Scotland then that record might mention if her mum had remarried.

Still thinking....

Best wishes
Jean

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:21 pm

Drinks are on the house

Annette has had the big breakthrough on this one....I thought she was going to make the announcement but she seems to have flit from the forum...

Ailsa you simply must run to SP and view the birth of Isabella's daughter

1861 THOMPSON ELIZABETH LANG F MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 1349

and note the address where the birth transpired please and then compare that with the address previously posted as to where the STOKER clan were holed up for the 1861 census.

Case closed.

Jean

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:25 pm

No Jean I decided the pleasure of posting should be all yours!!

Best wishes,
Annette

Right - I'm away to eat now!!!!!