1881 census

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:56 pm

Hi Andrew
My CD drive packed in last week, so using an old laptop I had a look...not many street name sgiven in Dunoon in that area:

Before the above hotel were:

Shore Rd
Marshall Place. then nearer to the hotel lots of what sound like large houses:
Jocks Lodge
Prospect Hill
McAdams Land
Craigard
Wyndham Bank
Craigsmore Cott.
Primrose Bank
Lamont Villa
Carriesbrooke
ROYAL HOTEL
then after the hotel:
Glenburn
Springbrae
Mosgiel
Ban A Chaldain
Calderwood
Lizzie Vale Terrace
Tunrod House
Broomfiled
Kilbride Cott.
etc.... and eventaully
Wellington Street!

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:07 pm

The other one in ED9 is also proceeded by and followed by what sound like lots of large villas,

Hanover Street
lots of villas
HOTEL
lots of villas
Eccles Road, Argyll Road

Post by **HeatherH** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:21 pm

The property I am interested in is the Royal Hotel in Innellen. some of you may remember I was interested in this before my trip in 2006 when I found the Hotel had burn but the Pub/Bar which was attached by an annex was still in opperation. I had a chance to visit the Pub while in Dunoon and saw a picture of the Hotel as it had been in its day. Seems it was the focus of the area for quite some time. prominant business men would bring their wives and kiddies to the Royal and then return to Glasgow for the work week returning on the weekend to enjoy the area. I notice from the census and the childrens births the Hotel is refered to being in Innellen and on others in Dunoon yet I have been assured they are 2 different places.I think its due to Innellen being in the Parish of Dunoon and also the enumerical district. On others its Dunoon & Kilmun.
My grandfather was born in 1889 on McAdam's Land would there be an old map perhaps that would give me a reference for this. When John Clark is finally blessed with a son after 6 girls John jr is registered as being born on Argyll Street though his father is still the Hotel keeper at the Royal and was until his own death in 1886. His parents James and Mary had also passed away at the Hotel in 1879 within days of each other.
Its interesting to see how both both John and his father changed professions over the years.
Thank you all again for you help,
Heather

Post by **AnneM** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:29 am

The Royal Marine Hotel still stands but as Heather says it's not the one she's interested in. I saw it well the other day when I had to take a Western Ferry home as CalMac was inexplicably off.

I think we established that the Royal Hotel in Innellan had burned down. My mother remembers it happening.

Anne

Post by **AnneM** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:37 am

Heather have you seen this web page

http://www.dunoonpeeps.com/html/old_dunoon_pics.html

Do you think I'm on the swing in the swing park there as a wee person, a very wee person I hasten to add.

Anne

Post by **HeatherH** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:52 am

Thats the 1 Anne. I remember you and DWW finding all sorts of info for me at the time. Including a write up on the Hotel. I had beleived it had burned down in the 1950s however from articles I read today it may have been 1981. when I got there early on a sunday morning we had to wait about till we saw life in the Pub. A woman came along and went in so we ( my cousin and his wife) followed. Turned out she was the Mum of the present owner and her hubby. she showed us a fantastic picture hanging on the wall of the Hotel in its day. We shared a pint and she mentioned the owners were in the process of selling the property and that the site where the Hotel had sat was also up for grabs. we went outside and continued talking. right next to the front door was 2 pillers cover in over hanging plants. when she lifted the leaves you could see a plaque . On it was The Royal Hotel. You could see up about 4 or 5 stairs then the steps were gone. We walked to the end of the road and took a U-turn on a street that headed back but higher above the Pub and finally after a short walk across a field we came to the original site of the Hotel. Now the local drinking hole for the younger set as evidenced by their left overs. What a view of the water the old Hotel had. I can see the appeal for the location.I have a friend who lives in Dunoon now and she had never been in the Royal but went along with friends 1 day for a look. Its under new management and has had a facelift. the picture still hangs in a place of honour however. I will definetely be heading back for another look at Dunoon and Innellen next year when I return to the UK.
Heather

Post by **HeatherH** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:53 am

PS Anne I had just found that very site this afternoon and enjoyed it very much.
Thanks again,
Heather

Montrose Budie · Post by **Montrose Budie** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:50 am

I knew this rang bells !

The Royal Hotel details from the 1881 census, i.e. John CLARK etc., do relate to the hotel of that name in Inellan or Innellan just under 4 miles to the SW of Dunoon.

Inellan or Innellan is in the registration district of Dunoon, so would turn up in that RD for the census.

For a situation such as Innellan with the development in a strip on the shore, it's near certain that the enumerator would move from dwelling to dwelling along the shore.

In a town however, an enumerator would often visit a few houses on a main street, then deviate off up a side street, which might even have several lanes off it, before returning to and continuing with the main street, and so on. Such a main street can sometimes stretch across 2 or more enumeration books. There are street indexes of all the censuses, indicating the number of the enumeration book for individual addresses, e.g. Main Street Even 2 - 20, Book 5; Even 22 - 40, Book 6, and so on. These indexes only cover the 4 cities in 1841, but, by 1901, cover most towns, but not every last village. NRH has copies of these indexes, as does The Mitchell, and, I'd assume, other large libraries in Scotland.

The enumeration books reflect the exact order in which the enumerator visited the houses, - they have to, as he handed out numbered schedules, and the enumeration book is in schedule order.

In a village, it's most likely that next door neighbours will be on the same page or the page before or after, but in a town, they could be several pages away, or even in another enumeration book altogether, all depending on the exact route the enumerator took.

That route is given at the start of the enumeration book, but only gets really detailed for the later censuses.

mb

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:38 am

Andrew
I had same problem with LDS CD's when I "switched" to vista.
Solution!
On your desktop, right click the Family History Resource Icon. Click properties, click compatability, tick run this programme in compatability mode for - Windows XP (Service Pack 2).
That should solve the problem.