help in finding james menzies mcdonald

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:24 am

Hi Carol,
Looks like Palace Colliery Bothwell Haugh. Not sure about her mother's maiden name...

So the IGI birth was the correct one, but the 1901 census is not the right James, unless there's a mistake with his birth place.

Regards,
Sarah

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:34 am

Looks like the 1901 census is wrong then because James is shown as a coal miner on the marriage certificate which his father and father-in-law were also. His father should show up on the 1901 Census too.

But, hey, how many James McDonalds can there be? (one thousand, two thousand...)

Carol

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:35 am

speleobat2 wrote: His father should show up on the 1901 Census too.

Or at least the 1891 for sure.

speleobat2 wrote: But, hey, how many James McDonalds can there be? (one thousand, two thousand...)

Exactly!

Sarah

marypryde · Post by **marypryde** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:43 am

Persistence pays, so stick with your search. I just found my particular John Brown (!) in the Ellis Island records. I had no idea how many John Brown's came to the US around 1905. Tedious, but I got there. Fortunately, it's a free site.

Mary Ellen

Post by **paddyscar** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:54 am

Couldn't the pen run out of ink on the registrar's name instead of the mother's!?

1895 on the Fifteenth day of February at the Roman Catholic Church Mossend. After Publication according to the Forms of the Roman Catholic Church.

(Signed) James M. Mcdonald, Coal Miner, Bachelor Age 25
119 Palace Colliery, Bothwell Haugh
Parents: James McDonald, Coal Miner
Georgina McDonald, M.S. Mulholland, Deceased
Signed Elizabeth Downs, Domestic Servant, Spinster Age 20
141 Palace Colliery, Bothwell Haugh
Parents: Thomas Downs, Coal Miner
Elizabeth Downs M.S. ???
Signed Michael Hughes, R.C. Clergyman

Andy · Post by **Andy** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:28 am

There is a marriage of a James McDonald to Georgina Mullholland in Perth

JAMES MCDONALD Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: GEORGINA MULHOLAND Family
Marriage: 20 JUN 1864 Perth, Perth, Scotland

They produce:

1. GARDENER MC INTOSH MC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 20 DEC 1870 Inveresk And Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

2. JANE CHRISTIE MC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 JUN 1872 Inveresk And Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

3. GEORGINA DUNCAN MC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 OCT 1867 Inveresk With Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

4. ELIZABETH PARKER MC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 APR 1869 Inveresk With Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

5. ANNE MC INTOSH MC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 23 MAR 1874 Inveresk And Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

6. ANNE MC INTOSH MC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 23 MAR 1874 Newbattle, Midlothian, Scotland

7. JAMES MENZIES MCDONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 12 JUN 1868 (My birthday) Perth, Perth, Scotland

8. WILLIAM MC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 05 OCT 1860 Drainie, Moray, Scotland

9. ROBERT MC DONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 APR 1863 Drainie, Moray, Scotland

10. MARY JANE MCDONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 17 OCT 1869 Drainie, Moray, Scotland

deano · Post by **deano** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:31 am

Hello All,

Elizabeth Downs, mothers name is Elizabeth Frew. she was born in Ayr, and married Thomas Downs, in 1876. in Tarbolton, Ayr.

Elizabeth Downs, was born about 1878. in Tarbolton, Ayr.

Regards,
Jonn.

anniee · Post by **anniee** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:08 am

john, andy, paddyscar,mary ellen, sarah, carol, lesley, annette thankyou thankyou for all your help

anniee

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:41 pm

Thanks to Gardner (and Andy!), the family is easy to find in 1871:

Dumbrae, Inveresk, Midlothian
James McDonald, 40, Head, born Inveresk, Edinr, Baker
Georgina McDonald, 28, Wife, born Newbattle, Caithness
Mary B McDonald, 13, Daughter, born Inveresk, Edinr, Spinner at Factory
James McDonald, 11, Son, born Inveresk, Edinr, Scholar
Allison McDonald, 8, Daughter, born Inveresk, Edinr, Scholar
Georgina M McDonald, 3, Daughter, born Inveresk, Edinr
Elizabeth B McDonald, 2, Daughter, born Inveresk, Edinr
Gardner M McDonald, 3 mo, Son, born Inveresk, Edinr

But father James is not a coal miner and James is said to be born in Inveresk. No wonder we couldn't find them! However, it surely has to be the right family.

Regards,
Sarah

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:48 pm

And again thanks to the brilliant choice of Gardner for their son's name, they are also findable in 1891 and Georgina is still alive then! So there is a very narrow window in which her death must have occurred, since she was gone by James' marriage in 1895. Her birthplace has changed, however...

1891
20 Dame Brae, Inveresk, Musselburgh, Midlothian
James McDonald, 60, Head, born Midlothia Fisherrow, Nett Worker
Georgina McDonald, 48, Wife, born Midlothia, Dalkeite
Gardner McDonald, 20, Son, borm Midlothia, Inveresk, Coal Miner
Annie McDonald, 17, Daughter, born Midlothia, Newton Grange, Dressmaker
Maggie McDonald, 14, Daughter, born Midlothia, Inveresk, Mill Worker

The only evidence of coal mining is Gardner's occupation. One must suppose that by 1895 father James was doing it too.

Regards,
Sarah