Death - Peter Nisbet Cunningham

[SarahND]

Hello Lizzie,
Could this be your man who died in 1939? It doesn't say where he died (and I don't see his death in England or Scotland), but if he appears in the National Probate Calendar it just means, I believe, that he had assets in England:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941

1939
CUNNINGHAM Peter Nisbet of 86 Brownside-road Cambuslang died 1 November 1939 Confirmation of Jessie Clark or Cunningham. Sealed London 30 December.

1940
CUNNINGHAM Peter Nisbet of 86 Brownside-road Cambuslang died 1 November 1939 Confirmation of James Clark Cunningham chartered accountant. Sealed London 14 March. Orig. Con. Sealed London 30 December 1939.

All the best,
Sarah

[Currie]

Hello Lizzie,

Here’s another in the Steel Industry!

Was your Peter Nisbet Cunningham general manager of Stewarts and Lloyds Clydesdale Works at Mossend? If so he died at home at Northcote, Uddingston, on 17 August, 1920. I have an Obit but it says he was age 67 years when he died as does the Glasgow Herald. He spent some time in the USA but that appears to have been in the 1890s when he went to Middlesbrough, Kentucky.

For death and funeral notices see page1, column 1 of: (I haven't dug around in the GH for a more detailed obit)

The Glasgow Herald - Aug 18, 1920
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=G ... page&hl=en

The Glasgow Herald - Aug 19, 1920
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=G ... page&hl=en

Alan

[Montrose Budie]

Hello Lizzie,

Here’s another in the Steel Industry!

Was your Peter Nisbet Cunningham general manager of Stewarts and Lloyds Clydesdale Works at Mossend? If so he died at home at Northcote, Uddingston, on 17 August, 1920. I have an Obit but it says he was age 67 years when he died as does the Glasgow Herald. He spent some time in the USA but that appears to have been in the 1890s when he went to Middlesbrough, Kentucky.

For death and funeral notices see page1, column 1 of: (I haven't dug around in the GH for a more detailed obit)

The Glasgow Herald - Aug 18, 1920
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=G ... page&hl=en

The Glasgow Herald - Aug 19, 1920
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=G ... page&hl=en

Alan

This is a classic situation in terms of it apparantly being a reasonable assumption that there won't be too many folk with the name of Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAM.

As is so often the case, however, such an assumption doesn't take into account Scottish naming patterns, so that several sons of a Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAM could well have named a son Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAM, and then several grandsons doing the same in the following generation, and so on, and on ................


In this case there's a wee slip of the finger involved by Lizzie in that the Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAM we're after was not born 6th Sept 1869, but 6th Sept 1879


That last fact makes it near certain that the 1920 register entry shows the death of his father.


This 1920 death register entry shows that this Peter, Steelworks Manager, was the widower of Elizabeth Gibson MAIN: parents Peter CUNNINGHAM and Jean McGHEE [see below]; informant son Jas R CUNNINGHAM.

James R[amage] CUNNINGHAM was b. Glasgow 1885, father Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAM, then shown as a Mechanical Engineer, and mother Elisabeth Gibson CUNNINGHAM MS MAIN. The 1901 census shows James plus 2 sisters and 2 brothers, with father Peter N as 'Iron Steel Works Manager'.

The 1881 census shows Peter and Elizabeth with one son, 'Peter N', aged 1, - 'our man' I'd suggest.


An additional problem here is that, while there's several Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAMs in the Scottish records there's a richt guid wheen o' plain Peter CUNNINGHAMs, should the informant not have known of his middle name, or, due to the stress involved in a death, omitted to report that fact to the registrar.

That leads me to believe that it's very possible that Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAM, b. Scotland 1876 [should be 1979], died furth of Auld Scotia, be that elswehere in the UK, or abroad.


A wee curiosity. In the 1891 census, the Peter N CUNNINGHAM, born 1876 [should be 1979], in Cambuslang, is most probably shown as the 21 year old visitor, 'Engineer', b, Cambuslang, in the household of William RANKIN in Bothwell.

The curiosity is that, a few doors away there is a 73 year old Jane McGhie CUNNINGHAM, b. in the Co. of Dumfries.


Another curiosity is that there's a death of an infant Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAM, aged 7 months, in Old Monkland parish in 1879, the parents being Robert CUNNINGHAM, Baptist Minster, and Jessie Isabella CUNNINGHAM MS BUCHANAN, - no date and place of marriage is shown.

mb

[LizzieS]

Hi All,

Thanks for all your suggestions unfortunately I'm still no further forward

Sarah - the PNC you found is the son of the brother of the father of the PNC I'm looking for. If you can follow that

Wilma - A nephew of the widow signed her death cert so that's not much help. He was J W Inglis. There is no clue as to where she is buried. I've also had no luck with obits for her in the Glasgow Herald and I'm not sure how to look for those in the Scotsman. Their son may have married. I searched in SP for marriages between 1933 and 1960 and 3 came up - one is my father 1943, one his cousin 1953 and I guess the 3rd is a possible in 1954 when a PNC marries Helen Michie Archibald in Cambusnethan but again I would have to purchase the actual cert for confirmation.

Currie - The PNC you found is his father. There is plenty of info around about him!

Thanks again to you all for trying. Its very frustrating especilly as its not THAT long ago .

Lizzie

[SarahND]

Sarah - the PNC you found is the son of the brother of the father of the PNC I'm looking for. If you can follow that

So... his first cousin then?!

To help us along, is MB right that there is a typo in your first post in the year of his birth? If he was born in 1879 rather than 1869 it will certainly affect our searches!

All the best,
Sarah

[LizzieS]

Hi Mb,

Our last posts crossed. Thanks for all that Information. I knew a lot of it but not all.

First of all a HUGE apology to all for my typing error re the birth date of the Peter Nisbet Cunningham I am looking for. It was 1879 not 1869 as I had typed

As you say there are many, many Peter Nisbet Cunningham's in my family alone.

I'm not sure who the Peter Nisbet Cunningham you have b1876 is?

The reference you make to 1891 census is the Peter Nisbet Cunningham whose death I am looking for. His aunt Robina Cunningham married William Rankin and Jean McGhie is Robina's mother and his grandmother.

However what I didn't know is about the Peter Nisbet Cunningham who was born to Robert Cunningham, baptist minister. Robert was the brother of Peter Nisbet Cunningham b 1853 and I knew he had married Jessie Isabella Buchanan in Canada in 1878. They came back to Glasgow later that year and at some point returned to Canada where they had 2 sons but I had no idea they had had a child while they were in Scotland or that it had died so thanks for that information. It all adds to the story!

Lizzie

[garibaldired]

What about this from FreeBMD:

Deaths Mar 1934 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cunningham Peter N 54 Dartford 2a 1085

Best wishes,
Meg

[LizzieS]

Hi Meg,

Right age but no idea how can I find out if it it is him and what he would doing there.

Lizzie

[Montrose Budie]

What about this from FreeBMD:

Deaths Mar 1934 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cunningham Peter N 54 Dartford 2a 1085

Best wishes,
Meg

Weel done garibaldired !


The reported age at death of 54 certainly fits b. Scotland in 1879; and the middle initial 'N' is highly attractive !

Could well be worth the purchase of the English certificate, except that, as always, the minimal amount of info on an English certificate, compared to a Scottish certificate, may not assist the situation; and lead to a conclusive link. It all depends on what was reported as the occupation of the deceased, and the info on the informant, as there won't be the names of the parents of the deceased.


Finger trouble this end as well, - I twice wrongly typed 1876 instead of 1879. Sorry !!


I forgot to add earlier that the Marion CUNNINGHAM MS SNEDDON 1958 death register entry informant was J W INGLIS, Nephew, 10? Craiglockhart Road, Edinburgh.

mb

[Montrose Budie]

A further PS.

The Peter Nisbet CUNNINGHAM who died in 1879 was born 11Sep1878, 98 Bank Street, Old Monkland, parents as above, father a Baptist Minister; married Petrolia, Ontario 07Nov1877.

mb