Current BC'S MC'S DC'S.....

[WilmaM]

wilma
Naughty girl.
Find your BC immediately
or guess who's coffers will be getting fuller when you apply for a
new one.

wini

I 'know' where it is.

It must be up the loft, in the box we cleared the desk into on Christmas eve. I had it out when I filled in my 'Disclosure' application form so should still be with that paper work.

[DavidWW]

There's a subtle but important difference here between England and Scotland.

When a birth is registered in England all that is supplied for free is a short form birth certificate. Any further copies and/or a full copy have to be paid for.

When a birth is registered in Scotland what is supplied for free is an "extract", commonly termed a certificate, which is a full copy of the register entry. Further copies have to be paid for. A short form certificate, or abbreviated certificate, can be supplied on special request, but costs just the same as an extract.

Sooooo..... if my interpretation is correct, the great majority of short form certificates out there that derive from the UK will be English rather than Scottish!

David

[WilmaM]

There's a subtle but important difference here between England and Scotland.

When a birth is registered in England all that is supplied for free is a short form birth certificate. Any further copies and/or a full copy have to be paid for.

When a birth is registered in Scotland what is supplied for free is an "extract", commonly termed a certificate, which is a full copy of the register entry. Further copies have to be paid for. A short form certificate, or abbreviated certificate, can be supplied on special request, but costs just the same as an extract.

Sooooo..... if my interpretation is correct, the great majority of short form certificates out there that derive from the UK will be English rather than Scottish!

David

Sorry David - the same applies in Scotland

I wasn't sure, it's always been my husband who has registered the children's births [he can do it alone as we are married ]. So I looked in the magic box and found the last child's Registration letter from the hospital. [ 2001]

On it it states: Registration is free and you will get a free abbreviated birth certificate when the birth is registered. You can obtain a full birth certificate at any time on payment of the statutary fee.

Some differences are : in Scotland By law, births must be registered within 21 days England gives parents 42 days, they don't need any documents [ we are advised to take both parent's BC and MC with the hospital letter with the birth details - Mother's Surname, date of birth and time of birth and babies gender]
The Time of birth is only recorded in England when it is a multiple birth.

I find the short form ideal for use when it has to be posted or produced for identity purposes - Passport, enrolling at school, new employment etc which means the full one never needs to leave the house [ I was going to say a safe place - but in light of where my BC is .....]

[DavidWW]

There's a subtle but important difference here between England and Scotland.

When a birth is registered in England all that is supplied for free is a short form birth certificate. Any further copies and/or a full copy have to be paid for.

When a birth is registered in Scotland what is supplied for free is an "extract", commonly termed a certificate, which is a full copy of the register entry. Further copies have to be paid for. A short form certificate, or abbreviated certificate, can be supplied on special request, but costs just the same as an extract.

Sooooo..... if my interpretation is correct, the great majority of short form certificates out there that derive from the UK will be English rather than Scottish!

David

Sorry David - the same applies in Scotland

I wasn't sure, it's always been my husband who has registered the children's births [he can do it alone as we are married ]. So I looked in the magic box and found the last child's Registration letter from the hospital. [ 2001]

On it it states: Registration is free and you will get a free abbreviated birth certificate when the birth is registered. You can obtain a full birth certificate at any time on payment of the statutary fee.

Some differences are : in Scotland By law, births must be registered within 21 days England gives parents 42 days, they don't need any documents [ we are advised to take both parent's BC and MC with the hospital letter with the birth details - Mother's Surname, date of birth and time of birth and babies gender]
The Time of birth is only recorded in England when it is a multiple birth.

I find the short form ideal for use when it has to be posted or produced for identity purposes - Passport, enrolling at school, new employment etc which means the full one never needs to leave the house [ I was going to say a safe place - but in light of where my BC is .....]

Wilma

Thanks for that........ it looks like the automatic issue of a short form certificate instead of a full extract is something that started in Scotland on one of the occasions in the last few decades when there were alterations to the system, but it's not clear if this was in the 1960s, 1950s, or earlier. (I've spoken to GROS.)

What we need now is to find a registrar who's been doing it for that long, or was, but has retired !

David

[Davie]

I wasn't sure, it's always been my husband who has registered the children's births [he can do it alone as we are married

Good point Wilma.
I know of three Faithers who registered the births of the wean contrary to what was agreed with the Mothers.
One of them named the child after his favourite fotball team, all eleven of them.
The other two just decided that they did not like what their wife had chosen.
Nothing outrageous, the dads decided that Kelly and Tiffany were not suitable for Glaswegian Lassies and registered them as Susan and Elizabeth.
Strangely enough both of these kids are known today,by the name chosen by the Mother, not what they were christened.

[CatrionaL]

The other two just decided that they did not like what their wife had chosen.

Strangely enough both of these kids are known today,by the name chosen by the Mother, not what they were christened.

Exactly my own situation!
Catriona

[Ina]

My dad did the same thing. Registered my brother as Stephen when my mother wanted him to be called Alexander.

Ina

[AndrewP]

Thanks for that........ it looks like the automatic issue of a short form certificate instead of a full extract is something that started in Scotland on one of the occasions in the last few decades when there were alterations to the system, but it's not clear if this was in the 1960s, 1950s, or earlier. (I've spoken to GROS.)

My birth certificate (1964) that I have at home is an extract, provided on the day my birth was registered (in Edinburgh). The details are all typewritten, where the original certificate in New Register House is handwritten. All of the information that appears on the NRH original is copied on to the extract.

The title at the top of the extract is EXTRACT ENTRY OF BIRTH : 17 & 18 Victoria Cap. 80, § 37. The 17 & 18 Victoria tells you that it is from a law passed during the 17th-18th year of Queen Victoria's reign (1854). [Caput or Capitulum] Cap. 80 is Chapter 80 (the 80th statute passed in that year). That law is Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Scotland) Act 1854, the same law as introduced civil registration of these events in Scotland and brought the General Register Office for Scotland into existence.

Was the short form introduced by the Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Scotland) Act 1965?

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[DavidWW]

Thanks for that........ it looks like the automatic issue of a short form certificate instead of a full extract is something that started in Scotland on one of the occasions in the last few decades when there were alterations to the system, but it's not clear if this was in the 1960s, 1950s, or earlier. (I've spoken to GROS.)

My birth certificate (1964) that I have at home is an extract, provided on the day my birth was registered (in Edinburgh). The details are all typewritten, where the original certificate in New Register House is handwritten. All of the information that appears on the NRH original is copied on to the extract.

The title at the top of the extract is EXTRACT ENTRY OF BIRTH : 17 & 18 Victoria Cap. 80, § 37. The 17 & 18 Victoria tells you that it is from a law passed during the 17th-18th year of Queen Victoria's reign (1854). [Caput or Capitulum] Cap. 80 is Chapter 80 (the 80th statute passed in that year). That law is Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Scotland) Act 1854, the same law as introduced civil registration of these events in Scotland and brought the General Register Office for Scotland into existence.

Was the short form introduced by the Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Scotland) Act 1965?

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

The problem here is knowing whether or not that was what your parents were given as of right, or whether they chose to pay whatever extra for a full extract as opposed to a short form certificate.

In Scottish terms I'd suspect, but cannot prove, that the short form was introduced by the Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Scotland) Act 1965? ........

But, as in an earlier post in this thread, anybuddy know a retired registrar from before 1965

David

[wini]

Davie, That is almost a case for the Divorce court. However, I am sure the women found much more subtle ways to get their own back.

I am just starting to think of some.

"Vegeance is mine said the Lord."

NOT TRUE

wini