I need help deciphering mothers maiden name

[Alan SHARP]

Greetings Jean, from New Zealand.

If in your travels you come upon the William McINDOE’S who emigrated from Scotland [Glasgow Environs] to New Zealand about the 1860's - 1880’s I would be interested. Not an active line of my research, but a Wm McIndoe married Elizabeth Kirkland SHARP, and Elizabeth and her children came to Auckland where there was also another Wm McINDOE who had a more prominent profile. Quite confusing because the other Wm McINDOE along with Elizabeth's brothers John and Humphrey SHARP, were very active nurserymen / orchards. I know of no McINDOE descendants here in NZ actively trying to sort them out, whence they came.

Alan SHARP.

[StewL]

Hello Jean
Very nice of you to offer assistance on this line of mine.
As per my original post, Isabella married by grandfathers twin brother Thomas, but I have no information on them apart from what I previously posted.
I have changed a bit since I started this lark, I do go a little bit further back on non direct lines, just to fill in some gaps and information that others may find helpful. I will email you very shortly about this.
Just goes to show the worth of TS, even a post 4 years old can get responses. It's a great site =D>

[macwest]

Hi Alan,
The only info I have on a William McIndoe who went to NZ...He was my g grandfathers brother who was born in Ireland he was william and he came to scotland for a short time to visit his brothers before going to NZ he is not on any of the Scottish census, all my McIndoe families have a William which I took to be called after him ..he never married and had an orchard in nz, as my dad was the only McIndoe decendant at that point he wanted him to come and join him but my mum would not leave Scotland.

Sorry this is all the info I have on him as I cannot get birth certs from Ireland and the info is only heresay as my dad had told me this story time and time again.If you want any more info on his parents please email me.
Regards jean

[Alan SHARP]

Greetings again.

Thanks for replying Jean. I will start a new Wm McINDOE thread, open for research within New Zealand, on the Au - NZ forum. Follow the link below. [If I have done the in house link incorrectly could Andrew or Russell fix it please.]

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16049&p=128347#p128347

Alan SHARP

[StewL]

I had an interesting experience on SP the other day. I was looking for Elizabeth Stewart b 1899 Bellshill, Lanark.
After getting some information from Jean I took a punt and entered Elizabeth Prentice (long story) 1898-1900 Bellshill, Lanark.
Well! only one match came up so I took the plunge, and lo and behold it was her but her name was recorded as Elizabeth Frame, but her mother Isabella was the Prentice. As I got it first time, I didn't pursue whether she is filed in SP under different surnames, but curious to know if that would be the case.

[AndrewP]

I had an interesting experience on SP the other day. I was looking for Elizabeth Stewart b 1899 Bellshill, Lanark.
After getting some information from Jean I took a punt and entered Elizabeth Prentice (long story) 1898-1900 Bellshill, Lanark.
Well! only one match came up so I took the plunge, and lo and behold it was her but her name was recorded as Elizabeth Frame, but her mother Isabella was the Prentice. As I got it first time, I didn't pursue whether she is filed in SP under different surnames, but curious to know if that would be the case.

Hi Stewie,

She is indexed on SP by two names:

• 1 1899 FRAME ELIZABETH F BELLSHILL /LANARK 625/03 0385
  2 1899 PRENTICE ELIZABETH F BELLSHILL /LANARK 625/03 0385

Usually if the parents are unmarried and both parents are named on the certificate, the child's birth is indexed by the surnames of both parents.

All the best,

AndrewP

[StewL]

Thanks for that Andrew

[Montrose Budie]

I had an interesting experience on SP the other day. I was looking for Elizabeth Stewart b 1899 Bellshill, Lanark.
After getting some information from Jean I took a punt and entered Elizabeth Prentice (long story) 1898-1900 Bellshill, Lanark.
Well! only one match came up so I took the plunge, and lo and behold it was her but her name was recorded as Elizabeth Frame, but her mother Isabella was the Prentice. As I got it first time, I didn't pursue whether she is filed in SP under different surnames, but curious to know if that would be the case.

Hi Stew

Where the parents were married there will normally just be the one entry in the index, under the family surname.

Here, where the birth was illegitimate, and the father's name appears on the birth register entry, - this could only happen when the father also turned up at the registration and also signed the entry, - there will be an index entry under both surnames, as here for [James]FRAME and [Isabella] PRENTICE.

Is assume that STEWART comes into the frame via the 1902 Bellshill marriage of Isabella PRENTICE to Thomas STEWART.

From the 1911 census it's clear that Thomas treated wee Elizabeth as his daughter.

I assume that this is the same Elizabeth PRENTICE who died in Larkhall, not a million miles away from Bellshill, aged 80, having been married twice, to George Cockburn PATERSON, and then Robert McCREATH.

mb

[LesleyB]

Usually if the parents are unmarried and both parents are named on the certificate, the child's birth is indexed by the surnames of both parents

Here, where the birth was illegitimate, and the father's name appears on the birth register entry, - this could only happen when the father also turned up at the registration and also signed the entry, - there will be an index entry under both surnames, as here for [James]FRAME and [Isabella] PRENTICE.

Just for info, though it may not apply in this case, there is another combination where where TWO surnames will be indexed for an illegitimate child:
If the mother has married a man who is not the father, and the illegitimate child is born after this marriage, then, even if there there is NO father's name given on the entry, the child will still be listed under TWO surnames;-
1. the maiden surname of the mother
2. the married surname of the mother - this surname of course has no actual relevance to the child's genetic origins.

Just from the index, with two surnames, you cannot assume that one is the surname of the father! You would need to see the actual entry to know what the position was.

Best wishes
Lesley

[StewL]

Thanks MB and Lesley
I haven't gone as far yet as looking for Elizabeth's marriages, as this is only a fairly recent addition to the tree. Unfortunately work gets in the way of family history, but now on some leave so I will have some time to do some searching.