I don't wish to start an argument or anything here - but there should be some scope to leave messages seeking live relatives within reason. Living here in Australia and having relative's in Scotland - i don't have the ability to phone around or go visiting places where my relatives lived previously.
Our family lost contact with the rellies about 20 odd years ago. The information with some of the surnames has long gone.....so what are my options???? My grandfather's neice Karen worked for the Courts in Edinburgh - but because I've lost her surname - they can't help me - I'm not allowed to post photos on this forum because she's possibly still alive.
I work for Local Government - so I'm well aware of privacy laws etc etc. But surely - there has to be something somewhere that can help people like me - wanting to rekindle family connections.
As I stated - I'm not looking to start arguments etc - just please - moderators - give this some thought.
Regards
Donna
Can anyone find a death record for me please?
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LesleyB
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Hi Donna
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5576
Best wishes
Lesley
I understand your position and that many people wish to trace still living family, but that is not an area, as far as I'm aware, that TalkingScot has sought to be involved in. There are many other web sites , such as Genes Reunited and others, which which are set up to help members to trace other family members. Some of the sites listed here may also be of help.but there should be some scope to leave messages seeking live relatives within reason.
...there has to be something somewhere that can help people like me - wanting to rekindle family connections
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5576
Best wishes
Lesley
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Currie
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Hello Lesley,
When this matter is being considered I only ask that some thought be given to the views of others and that a realistic and independent view predominate when making the decision. There is no defined limit to genealogy, a family tree goes on forever. History is the study of the past, yesterday is history. I’m not asking for open slather, just that a number of points be considered.
This forum is not accessible to Google searches and therefore is not part of the www as commonly understood. The only people who can access information on this forum are Genealogists who come in the front door, deliberately, to look around. Most people will look at recent posts, some may search for something more relevant to them. No one surfing the web will stumble across anything written on this forum.
When people die it is customary to advertise the fact. The families of the deceased pay for the privilege. Increasingly, these advertisements are placed on the internet for the world to see and it becomes an historical record. This trend is just the start of an avalanche. No genealogist should be upset or traumatised at seeing the name of a dead relative on the internet. The average genealogist deals in death and would be sophisticated enough to handle that.
This forum is an International one and if there is a reason why its policies are tied to that of a particular Government Department within Scotland I’m afraid I cannot fathom it. Asking people from other countries to censor genealogical information which is freely available to their citizen’s, and in fact available to everyone worldwide could be seen as an insult, that their system is inferior. It smacks of Missionary zeal. The information from such sources has been made available by legislation enacted by their elected representatives and with the implied consent of all citizens including those the information is about.
What possible relevance has the policy to do with people whose families have not lived in Scotland for generations and who are discussing people born or died outside of Scotland. I, an Australian, for example, can obtain census and vital record data quite legally from the United States and elsewhere but if I try to discuss it on a particular Scottish forum the black wall of censorship goes up.
Anything published in a newspaper is on the public record, any information released by an official source is on the public record. Anything on the internet is on the public record. The fact that you may or may not have to pay to get hold of that information does not make it any more or less of the public record. All this information is readily available to anyone and the fact should not be totally ignored.
What is developing is some strange system where you cannot disclose to people the information that has been released by the Government of Scotland with the implied consent of the Scottish People but it’s ok to point the person in exactly the right direction and give them such clues that even a complete imbecile could not fail to find it. That is really just playing games.
All the best,
Alan
When this matter is being considered I only ask that some thought be given to the views of others and that a realistic and independent view predominate when making the decision. There is no defined limit to genealogy, a family tree goes on forever. History is the study of the past, yesterday is history. I’m not asking for open slather, just that a number of points be considered.
This forum is not accessible to Google searches and therefore is not part of the www as commonly understood. The only people who can access information on this forum are Genealogists who come in the front door, deliberately, to look around. Most people will look at recent posts, some may search for something more relevant to them. No one surfing the web will stumble across anything written on this forum.
When people die it is customary to advertise the fact. The families of the deceased pay for the privilege. Increasingly, these advertisements are placed on the internet for the world to see and it becomes an historical record. This trend is just the start of an avalanche. No genealogist should be upset or traumatised at seeing the name of a dead relative on the internet. The average genealogist deals in death and would be sophisticated enough to handle that.
This forum is an International one and if there is a reason why its policies are tied to that of a particular Government Department within Scotland I’m afraid I cannot fathom it. Asking people from other countries to censor genealogical information which is freely available to their citizen’s, and in fact available to everyone worldwide could be seen as an insult, that their system is inferior. It smacks of Missionary zeal. The information from such sources has been made available by legislation enacted by their elected representatives and with the implied consent of all citizens including those the information is about.
What possible relevance has the policy to do with people whose families have not lived in Scotland for generations and who are discussing people born or died outside of Scotland. I, an Australian, for example, can obtain census and vital record data quite legally from the United States and elsewhere but if I try to discuss it on a particular Scottish forum the black wall of censorship goes up.
Anything published in a newspaper is on the public record, any information released by an official source is on the public record. Anything on the internet is on the public record. The fact that you may or may not have to pay to get hold of that information does not make it any more or less of the public record. All this information is readily available to anyone and the fact should not be totally ignored.
What is developing is some strange system where you cannot disclose to people the information that has been released by the Government of Scotland with the implied consent of the Scottish People but it’s ok to point the person in exactly the right direction and give them such clues that even a complete imbecile could not fail to find it. That is really just playing games.
All the best,
Alan
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marilyn morning
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Hi Alan,
Your comments are appreciated and we understand your concern, however until further notice from the AG of TalkingScot this is our policy and will remain our policy until further notice.
The general convention when posting family trees on the WWW is to avoid posting information that relates to living persons.
From time to time questions are posted on Talking Scot which deal with persons who were born, married or died not so long ago. We regret that we cannot help with queries about any persons who might still be living. There are several good reasons for this, not least our desire to respect the privacy of living persons.
Please use the cut-off dates used by Scotlands People as a guideline:
» Births up 1907
» Marriages up to 1932
» Deaths up to 1957
- regardless of country.
We are aware that indices for more recent events are available on line: anyone can pay to look up these indices, but we would prefer that details of any person who might still be living are not posted publicly on the forum.
Respectfully
Marilyn
AG member of TS
Your comments are appreciated and we understand your concern, however until further notice from the AG of TalkingScot this is our policy and will remain our policy until further notice.
The general convention when posting family trees on the WWW is to avoid posting information that relates to living persons.
From time to time questions are posted on Talking Scot which deal with persons who were born, married or died not so long ago. We regret that we cannot help with queries about any persons who might still be living. There are several good reasons for this, not least our desire to respect the privacy of living persons.
Please use the cut-off dates used by Scotlands People as a guideline:
» Births up 1907
» Marriages up to 1932
» Deaths up to 1957
- regardless of country.
We are aware that indices for more recent events are available on line: anyone can pay to look up these indices, but we would prefer that details of any person who might still be living are not posted publicly on the forum.
Respectfully
Marilyn
AG member of TS
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marilyn morning
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Hi Alan,
Stay tuned for futher developments on this subject. The AG is working on a meeting of the minds, concerning the modern indexes. Thank you for understanding and your cooperation is greatly appreciated.
An announcement will be made shortly, which should please the majority of the members here on TalkingScot. We're just ironing out the final details.
Regards
Marilyn
Stay tuned for futher developments on this subject. The AG is working on a meeting of the minds, concerning the modern indexes. Thank you for understanding and your cooperation is greatly appreciated.
An announcement will be made shortly, which should please the majority of the members here on TalkingScot. We're just ironing out the final details.
Regards
Marilyn