muir: hit a bickwall

deano · Post by **deano** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:13 am

Hello Katrina,

Now you say you are confused with your family, John Brown Muir, born 1912, Cambletown.

Is this a family story that he was born in Cambletown, and that he was born in 1912.

If you take his death date 1994, Glasgow, he is aged 80 years. that gives a birth year of about 1914. there is a John Brown Muir, born 1914. in Cambletown.

I suggest this is your John Brown Muir.

Muir is not a popular Name in Cambletown, there are only 84, in the 1891 census, and as James Muir, born about, 1823, his son James Muir, who married Elizabeth Mclelland, in Ayr, then appears on the 1881. census in Cambletown, then there is a good chance John Brown Muir, is his grandson.

Your only way of proving this is to order the John Brown Muir's, birth certificate, of 1914. Cambletown.

Regards,
Jonn.

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:30 am

Hi,sorry i don't think i have made myself very clear.. john brown muir b 1914 was my grandad born campbeltown,then his father.. malcolm muir b campbeltown 1882, then his father james muir b 1847 in ayr and then his father james muir spelt moore on sons marriage certificate but corrected to muir on wife's death cert in 1861.....then all is lost i have dates and names up to abt 1823 then i can find no trace of james snr born 1823,i thought as he signed his wifes death cert he may well still have been in ayr, but no sign of him ? that was my confusion. I would love to go further back with my family tree but first i need to find my stray muir..kind regards katrina

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:56 pm

Hi again,
If I have this straight, going between your two posted topics...
1) you are sure you have the right Malcolm, and have his parents from his birth cert.
2) His father James was born in Ayr according to the 1891 and 1901 censuses. So far, so good.

3) Do you have James' death certificate to verify that his parents were James Muir and Margaret Reid? If so, then I think we are headed down the right path in the other topic:

http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11629

Just trying to straighten this out and make sure we are not wandering off in an unverified direction!

Regards,
Sarah

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:31 pm

hi will get more credits for scotlands people for death, have birth cert for james mckinnon muir and james muir and margaret reid are definitly his parents on it.

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:39 pm

right this is where things start to go wrong i have james's death as being 0n 15/07/1900.will to look this up, sure it was given from census records.

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:41 pm

katrina42 wrote:hi will get more credits for scotlands people for death, have birth cert for james mckinnon muir and james muir and margaret reid are definitly his parents on it.

As long as you have proof that James McKinnon Muir is the same person as the father of Malcolm (is his middle name on Malcolm's birth cert?) then it looks like the link is sound. James & Elizabeth's marriage cert should also give you that information.

Regards,
Sarah

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:48 pm

katrina42 wrote:right this is where things start to go wrong i have james's death as being 0n 15/07/1900.will to look this up, sure it was given from census records.

James is still alive in 1901:

1901
36 Main St, Campbeltown, Argyll
James Muir, 52, Head, born Ayr, Ayrshire, Butcher
Elizabeth Muir, 46, Wife, born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Malcolm Muir, 19, Son, born Campbeltown, Argyllshire, Carter
Mary Muir, 13, Daur, born Campbeltown, Argyllshire, Scholar
Mary Brown, 19, Boarder, born Campbeltown, Argyllshire, Farm Servant
Samuel Guthrie, 63, Boarder, born Colmonel, ayrshire, Quay Labourer

Do you have a certificate for the James who died on 15/07/1900? I hope his parents aren't James Muir and Margaret Reid!

Regards,
Sarah

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:49 pm

malcolm's middle name is m'kenzi but it has james muir and Elizabeth mclelland as his parents. also elizabeth could not read nor write so she put an x on her wedding cert and it is the same on malcolm's birth cert there is an x where she made her mark.

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:56 pm

On Scotland's People there is a James Muir who died in 1924 in Campbeltown, age 74. Looks likely to be the one on the 1891 and 1901 census for Campbeltown, father of Malcolm.

Regards,
Sarah

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:01 pm

hello it was james muir and his wife Elizabeth mclelland, my error it was Elizabeth who died on 15/07/1900.will try and lookup james's death.thought i had that certificate too.??