can't find birth/mar certs on SP.....

nancy · Post by **nancy** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:53 pm

Hi there Jack,I hadn't been well for over a week,nasty cold left me feeling very tired.I'ts taken me a wee while to catch up on back posts

Thanks a lot for further info.

On Archie's MC it didn't say widower it said bachelor,could not find DC for Thomas,and no sign of Cath Duncanson Seaton's birth in Rothesay.However i got a birth for Thom Seaton in parish of Cummertrees?in OPRs/from marraige of John Seaton/McWhinnie.No images.I'm still searching on marraiges for rest of family.By the way Jack,i got the 1839 and 1781 Paisley maps for about £3 when i was at Main Library for Catriona.Aren't they brill?Staff were very helpful regarding poorlaw books,so i'll have to take a wee dauner up again,and see what i can find about my mums side of family.Thanks again Jack, Cheers Nancy.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:16 am

Hi Nancy,

Glad to hear you're back to good health

And that you've got the old maps - they are quite excellent.
Details on the 1839 map are basically what Paisley was still like over a 100yrs later; useful for following the rellies about the centre of town.
But many changes in the last 50+yrs (and not for the better!).

I'll have a look at that Glasgow Poor Law record of Catherine (DUNCANSON) SEATON anyway - best to eliminate it for sure.

Jack

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:18 am

Hi Nancy, remember these?
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1861 cens 644-10 Ed 31 p 20 (Govan - Hutchesontown)
40 Rose St.
[lodging with an Alexander SUTHERLAND 41 gas fitter & wife Mary 43]
Archibald SEATON, lodger, marr, 23, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
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ARCHIBALD SEATON
CATHERINE DUNCANSON
Marriage: 30 DEC 1859 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
==
I think you should look at the 1859 marriage (registered 1860).
Your hubby's G-GF did marry Catherine DUNCANSON before Margaret REID.
Archibald may have been a widower (i've doubts on this), but he certainly wasn't a bachelor in 1865!

That 1863 Glasgow Poor Law record for Catherine DUNCANSON states her hubby is Archibald SEATON, shoemaker - son of Thomas SEATON & Jane McCURDIE.
Will send you it as soon as i'm able to.
Jack
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ps, is this Archibald in 1881 as unmarried? Altogether there were 23 folk living in the Lodging House.
1881 Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland
Dwelling: Inks Close 6 Wt Port
Source: FHL Film 0223989 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 5 Page 7
Bridget HAGAN W 64 F Ireland Rel:Head Occ: Lodging House Keeper
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Archibald SEATON U 38 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Shoemaker
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And is this your hubby's GF Thomas in 1881?
1881 Census Place: Erskine, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: Newton Rd No 12
Source: FHL Film 0203568 GRO Ref Volume 563 EnumDist 2 Page 19
Isabella R. BAXTER W 71 F Erskine, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Grocer
Margaret R. MC DOUGALL U 18 F Erskine, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: G Daur
Samuel HUNTER U 20 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Railway Clerk
Thomas SEATON 11 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar
William DONALDSON 10 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar
John DUDDY 10 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar
Thomas JOHNSTON 8 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar
Johanna TAYLOR 7 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar
William GALT 8 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar
Robert COCHRANE 5 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder
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nancy · Post by **nancy** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:09 pm

Hi there Jack,

I'm so

to get more info about the Seatons.I'm off just now to do some digging.Thanks for help,will let you know how it goes.

.Cheers Nancy.

nancy · Post by **nancy** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:08 am

Hi Jack,any idea what this dwelling in Erskine would be?It seems to be mostly young ones in it,so where would their parents be?Cheers Nancy.

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:56 am

nancy wrote:Hi Jack,any idea what this dwelling in Erskine would be?It seems to be mostly young ones in it,so where would their parents be?Cheers Nancy.

I assume you mean the 12 Newton Road addresss Nancy ?

It was actually in Bishopton rather than where we now have Erskine. Newton Road is still there. Just about where Greenock Road and Old Greenock Road cross over at the Western edge of the village.

In a 1860's map a School and a Free Church, a school and a Manse are all marked.
So I'd imagine it was some sort of Boarding school or where children from outlying areas lodged.

Have a look at multimap for Newton Road, then at Bishopton on old-maps.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:27 am

Hi Nancy,
Like Wilma, i'm thinking boarding house too, and possibly on a Paisley Council approved list of them?
Also thinking the children could be orphans, or have no parents / relatives able to care for them.
Might be worth checking the poor law indexes at the Paisley Library on the off-chance they are in them.
We know father Archibald died in Glasgow 1891, but what about mother Margaret REID? (i can't see her on the 1881 census).
Can't see son Archibald either - possibly died young?
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ARCHIBALD SEATON
MARGARET REID
Chn -
ARCHIBALD SEATON - Birth: 13 SEP 1866 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
THOMAS SEATON - Birth: 31 OCT 1869 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
MARGARET SEATON - Birth: 30 JUL 1871 High-Low-Middle Churches, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
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This looks like wee Margaret -
1881 Census Place: Row, Dumbarton, Scotland
Dwelling: 15 Maitland St
Source: FHL Film 0203553 GRO Ref Volume 503 EnumDist 10 Page 49
Ann MC KAY W 70 F Mull, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Keeper Of Boarders
William MC ALLISTER U 17 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Grocers Assistant
John DEVINE U 14 M England Rel: Boarder Occ: Message Boy
Mary CAMERON U 25 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Domestic Servant (Unemployed)
Margaret SEATON 10 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar
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Jack

nancy · Post by **nancy** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:24 pm

Hi Wilma and Jack,and many thanks for help. We'll take a wee drive out to Bishopton/Erskine at weekend and have a wee look. Does it look to you as though children are in care?In Renfrews and Dunbartons. I see you are Falkirk area Wilma,maybe you could help me here? I have THOMAS SEATON 32 in 1901 census at 1 WEST JOHN ST FALKIRK wife MARY DEAKIN 33 and daug ANNIE 1. ANNIE was born at 1BOYD ST. Parish of Grahamston. Are these adds still there or has there been a lot of change,just like Paisley? By the way Jack,i wondered if Row Dunbarton,might be childrens home,and sure enough Rhu was the new spelling.Well they say you learn something new everyday! Thanks again, Cheers Nancy.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:45 pm

Hi Nancy,
Just to say that Maitland Street is in Helensburgh - which was in Row Parish.

Don't want you on a wild goose chase in Rhu! Jack

nancy · Post by **nancy** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:53 pm

Hello again Jack,thanks for that

I think Bruce is used to me sending him on them

However as we used to go to Luss quite a lot,it will be a change to see these other places we've not been for a few years.

My what an exciting life i do live

Cheers Nancy