Desperate for help please

[emanday]

This topic raises a question for which I don't have an answer and I'm wondering if anyone does. Would it have been possible for the birth to have been registered with no name? Even with the expanded search possibilities on SP

" Male child born 4th Jan 1868.

would not be searchable.

You CAN search using only year, place and sex, but the results can run into the thousands. If only the mother's maiden name had been indexed in the Stat records, this would have been so much easier.

I thought I'd cracked it but, yet again, I hadn't!

Nothing new with Angus surname, but I also tried Reid, Male, Edinburgh 1868 and there was one male, born 14 January 1868, Edinburgh Royal Maternity Hospital , but that's where my bubble burst. The father was registered as a John Reid (a soldier) and mother was Janet Reid m.s. Williamson.

OK, so that didn't work.

Thinks to myself (getting desperate now!) What if John Reid had a brother called William?

[Dennie]

Hi, Thank you for trying, like I said it is a mess, to say the least! I did try to find William Reid in Mussleburgh, where he is supposed to have come from, but no luck. I wondered if the name is a red herring or perhaps he came from somewhere else and worked on the railway that was being built. Going round in ever decressing circles and getting nowhere fast!

Would anybody know if it might be possible to get a copy of the "birth cert." that grandfather was supposed to have given to the Army?

[JustJean]

Their children:
William b. 10/10/1837 m. Isabella McKenzie 22/120/1847
John b. 8/09/1839 Lochbroom m Janet Waugh 10 Dec 1874 Selkirk his Usual Res Wicklow Ireland
Ann b. 27/06/1842 Lochbroom (grandfathers mother) child James Angus b.4/01/1868 d. London 15/04/1957
Mary b. 8/03/1846 Contin mother of William b. 1877 Dinwall
Margaret b. 18/06/1850 Contin mother of Mary b 13 Jan 1870 Dingwall
Isabella b. 16/07/1852 Contin
Effie b. 20/05/1854 Contin
James b. 10/07/1856 Contin witness at John’s wedding
Robina b. 21/05/1858 m Thos McTaggart 19 Nov 1880 Hutchesontown Glasgow…he died 1890
David b. 31/05/1863 m. Mary Ann Mckay 10/06/1874

As you can see I’ve taken your list and added a few more details. I was hoping to stumble upon Ann as a witness or informant on other records of her siblings but so far nothing. I was intrigued that her brother John had gone off to Ireland. Wonder if maybe more family members went that way????

As for the Annie you found in England…well she’s a mystery too isn’t she? I’m afraid you’d have to spend some weighty type dollars to obtain some BMD records in the hopes of a further clue or two there. I did find this Annie as you describe on the 1881 and 1891 census. Arthur appears to not have a birth record but he has a death record in the indexes as Arthur Edward Angus in the Apr qtr of 1882. He was age 4 and it was recorded in Marylebone. What I did find of interest is the baptism entry in London for wee Walter. He was christened Walter Andrew Angus on 27 Dec 1882. His father was given as John Hugh Angus and his mother simply as Annie. Their address for that was 11 Great Titchfield St. and the father occupation was “tailor” Hmmmmm……this sure confirms that this is the right record as the census address matches to the 1881 Census. So now more questions…..were Annie and John Angus really married? Was John Angus the father of all her children or just Walter? Where was John Angus on the 1881 census? So then I dug a little deeper and looked for a death for John Angus since Annie labels herself a widow by 1891. Still didn’t find her John but found a John. A John who was born 1817 and died 1882. He was married to Frances and was a Tailor journeyman….and was born in Scotland. Sooooo…then I looked for him on the earlier census and in 1871 there is John and Frances in Westminster London with a bunch of kids. The eldest at that time with a name of John H. age 23 and who was a “tailor” b. in London. Hmmmm…so now I wonder if John H. is the John Hugh Angus who is the recorded father of little Walter. If this is true then maybe Annie wasn’t an Angus but was married to an Angus in which case she isn’t yours. But what if she was an Angus….and also married an Angus???? Stranger things have happened! So I looked for Annie in 1901 and she’s still in Marylebone with Eva. On the 1911 she is listed as age 63 a tailoress b. Rossshire Scotland and is a widow. I couldn’t be certain I had found a DC for her. I did find what appears to be a marriage for Evaline/Eva…..in the Sep qtr 1904 to Arthur Edgar Anderson. Found them on the 1911 census in West Hampstead London and found Arthur had died 7 Jan 1924 with the same address as the 1911 census. His widow inherited from his will. So what does all that prove??? Not much yet does it? It would be too weird if this Annie was your missing Annie though….and there she was living in London all the time.

As for the tidbits I tacked on the sibling line up. I didn’t find Robina after her husband’s death…..and I didn’t find marriages for any of the girls. Not much help at all I fear!!

Just thought I’d post this on the off chance it added some grist to your mill.

Best wishes
Jean

[JustJean]

oh yeah....one more thing...not that it helps but there was another child born to James Angus and Mary Moffat. She was Helen Norton Angus and she died age 4 yrs on 5 Apr 1866 in Dingwall.

Jean

[Dennie]

Hi Jean,
Many thanks for the info. sorry not to have got back but my internet has been down for a while. The info you added I did not have so will look into it. Ireland, possible, grandfather was stationed there before going to South African war, so maybe I need to dig a bit deeper. There is a Johanna McKenzie aged 60 listed on the 1881 census as a lodger born Dublin but don't know if there is any connection. If there is an Irish connection perhaps Ann went there!