info on a Donachie

[JustJean]

Hey Derek

Wells beach is beautiful! I'm about an hour away. It really is a small world

As for your James. I'm thinking he may have been born in Ireland. The 1861 census has it recorded that way.

Name: James Donachy
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Donachy
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 282/1
Registration district: Dundee First District
Civil parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: Dalfield Terrace Matthew's Land
Occupation: Tenter At Power Loom


An interesting note.....their wedding was in the Catholic tradition. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk has access to Catholic registers as well as the OPR's but sadly if he were born in Ireland you're out of luck with these reocrds. The marriage record gives James parents as Charles Donachie a flax weaver who is dec'd by 1860 and Margaret mn. Rogers who was supposedly still alive in 1860.

I haven't proven that is the correct surname on Margaret yet but I'm thinking this is possibly the family in 1851 Dundee. Note that all children are born in Ireland. The James in bold print is the fellow who I think married Margaret Mulligan.

Name: Charles Douahy
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Donaghy
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Parish Number: 282
Civil parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: Blackscroft
Occupation: Weaver
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Douahy 50
Margaret Donaghy 42
John Donaghy 19 son b Ire
Mary Donaghy 17 dau b Ire
Sarah Donaghy 15 dau b Ire
Margaret Donaghy 13 dau b Ire
James Donaghy 11 son b Ire
Patrick Donaghy 9 son b Ire
Eliza Donaghy 7 dau b Ire
John McDonna 25 visitor b IRe
Susan McDonna 30 visitior b Ire
Rose McDonna 4 visitor b Ire
Rose Ann McDonna 40 visitor b Ire

Knowing that father Charles was living in 1851 but supposedly dead by James 1860 wedding I had a look for his death record. THere is one recorded here:
1859 DONNAGHY CHARLES COSGROVE M 59 DUNDEE FIRST DISTRICT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/01 0811
that fits the bill. You'll see that his parents names are given on this so if all the info is accurate you are now back 2 more generations on the paternal side.....and....

looking again for a death of Charles wife Margaret...there is only one that fits.
1869 DONOCHY MARGARET MCRORIE F 61 ST ANDREW (DUNDEE) DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/4X 0156
She is listed as widow of Charles Donochy a linen weaver and her son Patrick was informant. There are also parent names for her given but you'll see that her maiden name is now listed as McRorie. McRorie and Rogers are not the same name but then again I've seen worse comparisons prove out.

From the size of the family on the 1851 census it looks like you've got plenty of siblings to James to track down and see if any of them divulge the really big clue to the final mystery.........where in Ireland were they from!!!!

Best wishes
Jean

[SarahND]

McRorie and Rogers are not the same name but then again I've seen worse comparisons prove out.

Hi Jean I could derive one of those to the other in about two seconds flat... They already share 4 whole sounds in common! But of course, that proves nothing.

It seems there is already some discussion on this if you google, e.g. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 456AAb99Ze

All boils down to: Mac Ruaidhrí as the possible root of both names.

As we know, the Mc is neither here nor there and can be added or dropped depending on the situation.


Sarah

[Currie]

This may not be relevant but I’ll add it to the soup because of the address and because it’s one of those problematical between census children.

The Dundee Courier & Argus, Wednesday, May 14, 1890
SUDDEN DEATHS IN ROSEBANK STREET.
—Yesterday morning Peter M’Connell ……[first case]……
—Between five and six o’clock yesterday morning Helen Donachie, infant daughter of Mary Donachie, millworker, 75 Rosebank street, died suddenly in her mother’s lap, while the latter was warming her at the fire. Dr Templeman was called in both cases and saw the bodies.

Alan

[djd104]

Wow this is great stuff! I always thought the Irish and Scottish hated each other, Maybe because of my family! lol

[grumpmpyscotsman]

have found records showing Charles signed up with the 5th Black Watch Dundee City TA but was let go because of irregular enlistment.. which i believe was due to his age at the time they were not taking anyone over the age of 40 at that time if i am not mistaken.. my email is duncanreamhiarATgmail.com.. if ye don't want to post yers up here send me an email and i'll send ye his attestment papers for the BW and a coupe of paymaster records showing he was to have money sent to MaryJane his wife in Mass. i have more info stashed somewhere else on here i just have to find it.. in case yer wondering DJD.. it's Uncle C here.. also i have come across this bit of info:

Your grandfather Charles James Donachie’s records (some) may be found if you search Ancestry.co.uk and then from the National Archives "British Army World War 1 Pension Records".

Just so you know I have located the right person....his next of kin Mary Jane McCall or Donachie (wife) and 4 children May, Margaret, Kathleen and James.

Address was 22 Hathaway Street - West Lynn - Mass. Usa.

There are several pages of records including Attestation, medical and service records and Discharge. Also the allowance he made out to his wife to be paid by the British Consul in Boston. He got £1-1s-6d separation pay and made an allotment of 3s -6d making One Pound and Five shillings to be paid to Mary Jane!! Charles was classed as a Colonial!

He originally joined the Territorial Army (City of Dundee Reserve Battalion Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)) transferred to ASC (Army Service Corps - Horse Transport). He appears to have been discharged "enlisted irregularly"!!

The records are quite poor quality, but they are readable, althought the typewriting is badly focused in places.

and then here is this:

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 000051.TIF

copy of SS California return for Charles James Donachie listed as d/c'd soljer date of arrival Nov 6 1916 from Glasgow.. last listed address given france/belgium

i believe he is on line 13 (it's been awhile since i've looked it up)


i'll read thru what ye've got here as well and add anything i don't have already to my pile.. i DO have printed paperwork from census in Scotland as well as the States somewhere in my room.. well have a look for it at some point and try and mail it to you via Chuckie.. marriage records to maryJane, birth records etc... it does say on one set i've found HIS father came from Ireland with a spelling of Donaghey... but where as one of his sisters had married another Donachie (no relation) there's room for a lot of confusion in the families records.. (believe it or not i found this thread because i typed in MY name into Google.. hahahahahaget back to me DJD at my Gmail addy if ye like....

E-mail address edited to confuse the would-be spammers (AT = @) Russell

[grumpmpyscotsman]

https://mail-attachment.googleuserconte ... 8Zcd2twGE4

military paperwork for Charles Donachie

[grumpmpyscotsman]

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 000051.TIF

link to ellis island Charles Donachie home trip from WWI aboard SS California.. line 13 2 pages

[Russell]

Hi Grumpyscotsman

Welcome to

If every new member brought as much info as you have we'd break down some brick walls in no time

You seem to have a specialised military interest which will be a wonderful asset to some of our members

Russell

[ninatoo]

As for 'back home to his native England' well we Scots (and Welsh and Irish) are very used to that.

Regards,
Annette

Yes, look at good old Andy Murray who chances nationality depending on whether he wins or loses (currently he must be English again.......) but he's SCOTTISH, world, SCOTTISH!!!!!

(My biggest rant at the moment....I will step off the soap box now...thank you!)

[grumpmpyscotsman]

hey ye Russell.. got most of my info on Charles Donachie from a few lads on the Black Watch Association site... and all the other info DJD got is basically the same as what i got as far as the different spelling of the last name and births in Ireland... i think this is the correct family... we know that Charles James seved in WWI as a Royal Engineer.. we have a portrait photo of him in uniform at my son's house as well as one of Mary Jane his wife... DJD has the "OFFICIAL BRIEFCASE" with all the rest of what we've dug up on the family including letters from 3 -4 genreations ago as well... this is a good site to find out info and i also would suggest http://www.british-genealogy.com/ and http://www.forces-war-records.co.uk they have a good bit of info perhaps to be found