muir: hit a bickwall

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:18 pm

will try looking that up thank you deano

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:43 pm

bought some credits for scotlands people and here's what i have,
james muir mason aged 43 , widower. carrick st Ayr
married
Agnes Mcwilliam 42 + sign and witness's names which are hard to make out think it says william and george. at bottomit states widow and job i think sewer. Carrick st Ayr

James muir's father is daniel muir ( weaver)and i think it says dec, mother is jane muir and i think it says park as her surname.

Agnes father david mcwilliam shoemaker and helen ? cannot make out her surname linnend ? ? but not sure on that surname spelling. both deceased

married on 24/06/1865 at Carrick street Ayr
william menzies minister.

could this finally be my ggggg grandfather at last ??

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:23 pm

katrina42 wrote: could this finally be my ggggg grandfather at last ??

$\:D/$ Looks like it to me!! If there are parts of the certificate you're having trouble reading, go ahead and post it in the gallery and let others give it a try.

There is this intriguing household in 1851, on Carrick St

Note the surname of the niece:

Carrick Street No 9, Ayr, Ayr
Jane Moor, 63, Head, born Ireland
Mary Moor, 16, Son(!), born Ayr, Ayrshire, Sewer
Jane Park, 15, Niece, born Kirkoswald, Ayrshire, Sewer
Jane McAdam, 31, Lodger, born Ireland, Out Door Or Ag Labourer
Flora McAdam, 5, Lodger, born Ireland, Scholar

Now we see where the born Ireland came in. Perhaps both James' parents were born there. If Jane was still alive at the time of James' second marriage, then you should be able to get her death certificate and verify her husband's name and occupation. With luck, it will be James who signs as informant.

You're definitely making progress!

Sarah

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:23 pm

Hi sorry for late reply am just home, how do i get cert into gallery,do i just upload it?

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:28 pm

Hi Katrina,
It's okay, you're allowed to have a life outside of TalkingScot!

The instructions for uploading are to be found here:

viewtopic.php?t=6496

Cheers,
Sarah

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:36 pm

ok thats done now and yes it does look like she was jane park but unfortunatly it also says both parents were dec.will try and find a marriage on scotlands people

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:40 pm

katrina42 wrote:will try and find a marriage on scotlands people

They may well have been married in Ireland before coming over. But in any case, Scotland's People seems to be having some trouble today. I haven't been able to get any results since early this morning

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:51 pm

oh dear , just looking at what i can see if the head of household is jane park then her dob would be abt 1788 and james was born 1822.

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:00 pm

Yes, if the 1851 census I found is Jane Park Muir, and it seems likely because of the surname of the niece, then she would have been born around 1788. I was hoping that she lived at least another 4 years, so that her death would be registered and findable on Scotland's People. But, as I said, the site is "temporarily unavailable"

In the meantime, the niece is looking like the right family:

Jane Park appears on the IGI, born 11 Feb 1836 in Kirkoswald, Ayr
Father: Robert Park
Mother: Jean Rodger

She is with her parents in Kirkoswald in 1841. Her father Robert looks like a good candidate for Jane Park Muir's brother, having also been born in Ireland:

1841
Roan, Kirkoswald, Ayrshire
Robert Park, 30, born Ireland, Banksman
Jane Park, 35, born Ayrshire
Agnes Park, 8, born Ayrshire
Jane Park, 5, born Ayrshire
Robert Park, 3, born Ayrshire
Mary Park, 1, born Ayrshire

Banksman....... . . Mine worker at pithead unloading coal from the cages

All the best,
Sarah

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:17 pm

ok so that's good so far except mary son ?, but will look into that later.thanks sarah am going to see if certificate has uploaded yet.