Another Entry of "Chicken Scratch"

[theKiwi]

Well I guess it's not that bad, but I've got another record that I'm hoping I can get some help with reading some of the items on. I've put the image here

http://LisaAndRoger.com/CatherineMoffat.gif

In order from left to right across the page for the top entry (322)..

What is the rest of "Widow of an xxx xxx xxxxxx" - Iron xxxxx Contractor perhaps? (Why oh why can't it have his name, not what he did? The next entry on the page is the same - "Wife of a Plasterer")

The age at death?

The mother's maiden name - Dewar possibly?

I'd love to hear others' interpretations on this - particularly the age. If it's who I think it must be, other information says her husband was a Coal Miner.

Of course if these people are in your ancestry or family somewhere I'd love to hear from you even if you don't know what the image says.

Many Thanks

Roger

[SarahND]

Hi Roger,
For what it's worth, I see "Iron Stone Contractor"; age 77; mother's maiden name Dewar. How annoying that the husbands' names are never given!

Cheers,
Sarah

[Currie]

Hello Roger,

I agree with Sarah. I can’t read the McLa--- scribble though. Probably something obvious.

Alan

[AndrewP]

Hi Roger,

I make out the certificate details as follows:

Moffat, Catherine, widow of an Iron Stone Contractor.
1858, April Nineteenth, 10h 20m PM, 182 Trongate, Glasgow.
F, 77 years.
Peter McLaren, Farmer, Deceased.
Elizabeth McLaren, maiden name Dewar, Deceased.
_____ 12 months, As certified by Alex^r Findlay M.D. who saw the deceased 5th April.
Southern Necropolis, Glasgow, as certified by James Hynd, undertaker.
Barbara C_____, daughter, present.
1858, April 20th at Glasgow, Murdoch MacLeod, Assistant Registrar.

From 1856 to 1860, the spouse's name was not included, but their occupation was given instead. It was these same years (plus 1855) where the burial place was given.

Ironstone mining and coal mining seems to have been done by the same people through their years. Both materials were in north Lanarkshire, giving rise to iron and steel works in that area that required both of these materials.

The online IGI has a submitted entry showing the birth of a Betty McLaren to a Peter McLaren and Elizabeth Dewar in Kenmore, Perthshire. Could this be a sibling (if my interpretation of the certificate is correct)?

The online IGI gives this marriage (proclaimed in two parishes).
CATHARINE MCCLAREN - International Marriage: 14 JAN 1810 Lanark, Lanark, Scotland
KATHARINE MCLAREN - International Marriage: 14 JAN 1810 Douglas, Lanark, Scotland
The groom is a David Moffat.

A parent search on the online IGI gives 47 results for births to this couple. Thankfully many of thee are repeat submissions. Unfortunately, only two aree from the records (45 are submitted).

The two from the records are:
MAREN MOFFAT - Christening: 25 NOV 1810 Douglas, Lanark, Scotland
BARBARA ALLAN MOFFAT - Christening: 09 MAY 1824 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
The submitted entries place the family in Douglas, Cambusnethan, Airdrie (New Monkland), Bothwell, Lanark and Barony over the years.

All the best,

AndrewP

[LesleyB]

Hi all
Is it perhaps:
Cancer 12 months, As certified by Alexr Findlay M.D. who saw the deceased 5th April.

Barbara C_____, daughter, present.
I think it may end in _ie ...perhaps Comrie or similar?

Best wishes
Lesley

[theKiwi]

Hi Andrew

Thanks for taking the time to look into this.

So is "iron stone" what would these days be referred to as "iron ore" - I'd never heard that expression before but it makes sense that they'd call it iron stone I guess.

I was remiss in my post in that I didn't include URLs to these people in the Clan Moffat Society web site.

Some of those submissions to the IGI were in fact made by the Clan Moffat Society from this file some years ago, when to those in charge at the time this seemed like the easiest way of making the data available to others. And I know that another submission (with 14 children in the family) was made by another person who also sent me a copy of her file. (I guess now when people look this up and then send it to me as their genealogy - "it came from the IGI" - that's called "Circular Genealogy" <g>)

With the expense of some credits last night (paid for with ailing US dollars ) I've found 5 children to this couple in the OPR for Lanarkshire, but still well short of the 10 to 14 that the Clan Moffat Society file shows.

A search of Scotlands People for the "time period 1790 - 1830, father David Moffat, County Lanark" returns 29 births showing, with 9 different women, so clearly there's more than one David Moffat "in business" during this time period. One person who submitted information to our file had the David Moffat who married Catherine McLaren also married to Lillian Moore and Maren Shearer. Another submission omitted Lillian Moore, but had the other two marriages. As a result of these multiple submissions David Moffat was in the file 3 times, Catherine McLaren was in 3 times, and nobody quite agreed on how many children there were - it was always at least 10 though. And each of David and Catherine had 2 different parents shown too.

Ai yi yi yi

But I'm glad I offer our site as "this might be your family - please let me know if you can prove anything different" rather than "this is your family".

For now one of the David/Catherine families is here...

http://genealogy.clanmoffat.org/getpers ... ClanMoffat

and the other here

http://genealogy.clanmoffat.org/getpers ... ClanMoffat

but I'm working on trying to sort this all out so that they and their children are each in the database only once and so the first URL will go to the wrong people once I upload a revised database that removes the multiple instances of David and Catherine.

As to the informant - I have more to do there in research too I guess - our file shows daughter Barbara had 3 husbands, but none of them have a name that starts with a C for Barbara's last name.

http://genealogy.clanmoffat.org/getpers ... ClanMoffat

Of course this assumes that there really weren't two separate couples called David Moffat and Catherine McLaren!!!!

Thanks to all who have looked into this problem and for your feedback.

Cheers

Roger

Genealogist - Clan Moffat Society

[paddyscar]

Hi:

I read the daughter's name as Barbara Cormie; the cause of death as Cancer 12 months and the date of registration having been changed from April 20 to April 13, with a notation on the right-hand margin.

Frances