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claire dalton · Post by **claire dalton** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:40 pm

dont know what i would do without the kind people on this website got two more documents if anyone can help thanks

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LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:15 pm

Hi Claire
The second one is quite clear in places...why don't you have a stab at both of them, post what you can make out and we'll try to fill in any of the blanks!

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:16 pm

Hi Claire,

Here are my attempts at the two certificates.

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1872, on the Eighteenth day of October at the Manse, Maryhill,
After Banns according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland.

(signed) Henry his X-mark Docherty,
William S Shanks, witness; Mary Bell, witness,
Iron Stone Miner (Bachelor), 32,
Netherton, Parish of New Kilpatrick.

(signed) Jane Glancy, Paper Mill Hand (Spinster), 22,
Netherton, Parish of New Kilpatrick.

Robert Docherty, Shoemaker (dec), & Mary Docherty, M.S. Humphrey(?)
James Glancy, Masons Labourer, & Esther Glancy, M.S. Coil(?)

(signed) Wm S Shanks, Parish Minister, Maryhill
(signed) Mary Bell, Witness
(signed) Agnes Shanks, Witness

1872, October 22nd, At Maryhill, John Russell, Registrar

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1864, on the Tenth day of June - at Girvan -
after Banns according to the Forms of the Established Church of Scotland.

(signed) William Livingston, Collier (Bachelor), 21, Kilgram____(?), Dailly

(signed) Elizabeth her X-mark Hodge,
Andrew Davidson, Witness; Marion McFedries, Witness,
Cotton Weaver, (Spinster), 21, D____park(?), Girvan

Robert Livingston, Collier; Elizabeth Livingston, M.S. McDowall(?),
John Hodge, Cotton Weaver; Jane Hodge, M.S. Smith

(signed) William Carson, Ministr of Girvan
(signed) Andrew Davidson, Witness
(signed) Marion McFedries(?), Witness

1864, June 15th at Girvan, Jas MacKenna, Registrar.

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All the best,

AndrewP

deano · Post by **deano** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:12 pm

Hello Claire,

Just a little help with your Livingstone's, Willam's, parents were married 03/June/1838. Girvan, Ayr.

There is only one birth that i can see registered for the couple, Elizabeth Livingston, born 29/Jan/1857. Dailly, Ayr.

Here is the family on the 1861 census index for Dailly, Ayr, including son William, aged 18 years.

Livingston Robert, age 50 years, born, Colmonell, Ayr,
Livingston Elizabeth, age 40 years, born Girvan, Ayr,
Livingston Janet, age 20 Years, born Dailly, Ayr,
Livingston William, age 18 years, born Dailly, Ayr,
Livingston Alexander, age 16 years, born Dailly, Ayr,
Livingston Robert, age 10 years, born Dailly, Ayr,
Livingston James, age 8 years, born Dailly, Ayr,
Livingston Hugh, age 7 years, born Dailly, Ayr,
Livingston Elizabeth, age 4 years, born Dailly, Ayr.

To see the full census you will get it on Scotlandspeople.

Regards,
Jonn.

deano · Post by **deano** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:58 pm

Hello Claire,

When you are looking for the Hodge Family, you will have to be aware that this surname will have a few Alternatives, ie.

John Hodgeon, married Jane Smith, 06/June/1841, Girvan, Ayr.

There are three births at the moment i can find on the IGI.

Elizabeth Hodgeon, born 28/Aug/1842. Girvan, Ayr.
Jane Hodgeon, born 11/Aug/1844. Girvan, Ayr,
Archibald Hodgeon, born 19/July/1856, Girvan, Ayr.

This Elizabeth Hodgeon, born 1842. i think is the lady who married William Livingston, in 1864.

Regards,
Jonn.

Post by **paddyscar** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:17 am

AndrewP wrote: (signed) Henry his X-mark Docherty,
William S Shanks, witness; Mary Bell, witness, (perhaps Dell)
Iron Stone Miner (Bachelor), 32,
Netherton, Parish of New Kilpatrick.

(signed) Jane Glancy, Paper Mill Hand (Spinster), 22, (Glancey)
Netherton, Parish of New Kilpatrick.

Robert Docherty, Shoemaker (dec), & Mary Docherty, M.S. Humphrey(?)
James Glancy(Glancey), Masons Labourer, & Esther Glancy(Glancey), M.S. Coil(?)perhaps Cail

(signed) Wm S Shanks, Parish Minister, Maryhill
(signed) Mary Bell, Witness(perhaps Dell)
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1864, on the Tenth day of June - at Girvan -
after Banns according to the Forms of the Established Church of Scotland.

(signed) William Livingston, Collier (Bachelor), 21, Kilgram____(?)Kilgrammie*
, Dailly*
(signed) Elizabeth her X-mark Hodge,
Andrew Davidson, Witness; Marion McFedries, Witness,
Cotton Weaver, (Spinster), 21, D____park(?)Davenport , Girvan

Robert Livingston, Collier; Elizabeth Livingston, M.S. McDowall(?),
John Hodge, Cotton Weaver; Jane Hodge, M.S. Smith

(signed) William Carson, Ministr of Girvan
(signed) Andrew Davidson, Witness
(signed) Marion McFedries(?), Witness

1864, June 15th at Girvan, Jas MacKenna, Registrar.

* Kilgrammie is a settlement in the Parish of Dailly, a coastal parish, which lies in South Ayrshire Council Area, some 6 miles (9 km) east of Girvan and 6 miles (10 km) south of Maybole in South Ayrshire.

It is located in the old county of Ayrshire, which disappeared following the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1974.

The parish has an area of 72 sq. km (44.7 sq. miles). Dailly has 5 neighbouring parishes; namely Barr, Girvan, Kirkmichael, Kirkoswald and Straiton. Gazeteer of Scotland http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/sgzexe/anyword2.pl

claire dalton · Post by **claire dalton** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:34 am

LesleyB wrote:Hi Claire
The second one is quite clear in places...why don't you have a stab at both of them, post what you can make out and we'll try to fill in any of the blanks!

Best wishes
Lesley

Thanks for all your help would love to have a go at working them out but i am partialy blind and find it very difficult to read them. I think the people on this website do a great job and traceing my family tree would not be possible without them many thanks to you all

Post by **joette** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:49 pm

I have David Hodge born Nov 1863
Thomas 1865 &
Agnes 1868.
Parents are Elizabeth McHarg( her mother Agnes McHarg or Quath)&Thomas Hodge Cotton Weaver.
The children were all illegitimate although Thomas is named as Father only on David's birth certificate.
All born/living Greenside Girvan on the 1871 Census(not Thomas)
Elizabeth is I think my GGGrandmother's sister/half-sister.
She is Robina McDowall-possibly McKinlay no birth found but living with
Elizabeth McHarg,
David McHarg
Agnes McHarg/Quath on the 1841 Census in Girvan.Cotton Weaver
Her Mother is either Agnes Quath(?) marriage or McHarg -Death and either Andrew or James McDowall as her Father.
Wondered if there was a connection?

claire dalton · Post by **claire dalton** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:51 pm

Hi think there is a conection there just need a bit of time to grt my head round all the info i have only been doing this a week will let you know what i find