Help reading a certificate, please

morgano · Post by **morgano** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:13 am

Hello.
I have just uploaded the death certificate for a John McIntosh, died Dundee, 1863. I can read most of it, but am having trouble with some parts.

In the first column, I can see "John McIntosh Weaver married to Barbara something", but I can't read her surname.

In the second column, the only part of the address that I can read is the bit that says, "Dundee."

I can't read the medic's name in the sixth column and that's not wildly important, but, in the seventh column, I can't make out what is in the second line, beneath the name Barbara McIntosh. I think it shows that his widow signed the document with "her X". I can't make any sense of the next bit. Can anyone suggest what that whole line says, please?

Finally, is Peter Keith "Assistant Registrar"? I can read the "registrar" bit, but not the squiggle preceding it (same in seventh and eighth columns).

I'll greatly appreciate any help with this one. Thanks.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1658

Morgano

Gallery URL added - AndrewP

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:27 am

Hi Morgano,

I read the certificate as follows.

John McIntosh, Weaver, Married to Barbara ______
1863 August Nineteenth, 6h A.M.; 12 Smalls Wynd, Dundee
M, 66 years
(father) Charles McIntosh, Shoemaker (Deceased); (mother) Unknown
Apoplexy 2 days, as Cert by Wm Crockatt(?), M.D.
Barbara McIntosh, her X mark; Wife; (present); Peter Smith(?), Asst Registrar, Witness
1863 August 20th at Dundee; Peter Smith, Asst Registrar; ___(?)

I'm not sure about Barbara's maiden surname.

The assistant registrar has signed his name as witness to her having been the person who made the X-mark. The final mark in the last column will be either the registrar or the examiner showing his satisfaction having examined the certificate.

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **paddyscar** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:29 am

John McIntosh, Weaver Married to Barbara ?
August nineteenth, ? hr. A.M.
12 Small's Court, Dundee
M. 66 years
Father Charlie Mcintosh, Shoemaker (deceased)
Mother: Unknown
Cause of death: Apoplexy 2 days
As Cert. by Mr. Crockatt, M.D.
Informant: Barbara McIntosh
her X mark
Wife (Present)
Peter Fryith?
Ass't Registrar, Witness
Entered: 1863 August 20th at Dundee
Peter Fryith?
Ass't Registrar
[followed by Registrar's Initials]

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:37 am

Hi again Morgano,

On looking for a death for Barbara McIntosh in Dundee (1863 to 1900) - a few guesses in there, you will find three results. One of them gives one of her other surnames as Milne. On taking a peek at the certificate, the address given has to be the best clue you need.

All the best,

AndrewP

morgano · Post by **morgano** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:41 am

Many thanks for the replies. Barbara McIntosh's maiden name is baffling. I think that the final characters in column eight are "RIP", or some equivalent. The same is written on the other two registrations on the page, all compiled by the same assistant registrar.

morgano · Post by **morgano** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:42 am

Thanks again - I'll have a look.

Wee Ann · Post by **Wee Ann** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:22 pm

I think Andrew was pretty close!
It looks like Miln to me!
What is a dropped "E" in these old documents?
Wee Ann