scot family of ancrum

trishj · Post by **trishj** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:41 pm

hi, all.
I am new to all this and don't really know if i am in the right area.
I am trying to trace my 7xgrandparents the only info i have on them is the baptism for my 6xgrandad who was robert scott sometimes he went as robert dodds scott he was born abt. 1801 in ancrum roxburgh and was christened on the 23rd. april 1805 as was his brother charles the only info was his fathers name william scott. robert married in 1822 in merthyr tydfil wales and died there in in march 1873. all roberts children had the name dodd scott or dodds scott. please have anyone got any idea as what to do next? as i am at a loss with this.
regards trishj

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:07 pm

Welcome to TS

A Difficult one this.

The Ancrum Birth/Christening records only seemed to indicate the father's name.

So it seems difficult to prove who the mother would have been.
Unlikely that the father would have survived to post 1855 to check for a wife's name. And you say you have his death in Wales - no mention of a mother there I expect?

What about bro Charles? did he stay in Scotland? you may get a mother's name from his marriage or death.

It may be a complete coincidence, but a William Scott married a Mary Dods 10 OCT 1742 Ancrum, Roxburgh, Scotland .
[extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record, on the IGI at Family search]

I think Dods and Scott are pretty common names in those parts though.

trishj · Post by **trishj** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:33 pm

hello wilma.
thank you for trying to help me, as you say it is a hard one to crack. I have no idea about charles only that he was christened with robert 23/4/1805 I dont even know if charles was older or a twin with robert.
I did also see on family search.org about mary dodds and william scott ancrum i also found out this but it is trying to verify it , this is what i found.
william scott married mary dodds 10/10/1742 ancrum. they had a son william b/c. 26/10/1755 ancrum he married a margaret? in 1773 ancrum .
also found a william scott b/c 10/7/1720 ancrum father was adam scott.
also a mary dodds b/c 22/4/1722 markerston roxb. parents were thomas dodds and jannet turnbull.
this is allthat i have found but it is putting the true parents to william and dont know if i am barking up the wrong tree, as it is so easy to go off track with names like scott. iknow this because of my jones family in wales.
regards trish.

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:02 pm

Hi Trish,
Welcome to Talking Scot! [talkingscot]

Wilma has the right idea of looking for Charles in Scotland-- it would seem to be your best chance. There is a convincing-looking brother Charles living in Perth in the censuses, born various odd mis-transcribed places in Roxburgh. One, at least, appears to be Ancrum, which is heartening. He died in Perth in 1884, age 80. If you're feeling daring, you could download his death from ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk and see who his parents were...

All the best,
Sarah

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:56 am

Here's an assist on that 1884 Perth DC...

Charles Scott was a widower of Helen Morris. His daughter Helen Scott was informant. His parents were John Scott, farmer (dec'd) and Helen Scott ms Dodds (dec'd)

Best wishes
Jean

Post by **SarahND** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:34 pm

Oh dear, Jean... Not William, but John-- yet Dodds

What's the odds that this is, in fact, Robert's brother, but Helen gave the wrong father's name on the death cert? Perhaps she never knew her grandfather...

k Sarah

trishj · Post by **trishj** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:58 pm

hello jean and sarah.
thank you both for this info, do you think that charles father could have been called william john scott but went as john to his family and never used the name william only onimportant documents such as births etc.? its a thought. but like sarah said whats the chance of charles mother being a dodds now thats spooky.
regards trish.

trishj · Post by **trishj** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:16 pm

hello again.
charles scott was living in 60 high street perthshire in 1881 census he was aged 77 also there was helen scott daughter 5 morrison children (helen scott) was the mother of these children as well as other people living there. the question i would like answered is why dont they (or maybe they do) put down married names of spouses like helen would have been morrison not scott?
regards trish.

Post by **joette** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:07 pm

It was quite common practise for Scottish women especially if they were widows to revert or retain their maiden names.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:45 pm

Hi trishj
I've maybe got the wrong end of the stick on this one, but in 1881, the Helen I'm seeing is stated as unmarried:

60 High Street, Perth

William MORRISON U 21 (Head) Rope Spinner
Charles SCOTT W 77 Grand Father, General Labourer
Helen SCOTT U 42 Daur, Formerly Domestic Servant
Charle MORRISON 14 Son, Scholar
James MORRISON 11 Son, Scholar
Ann MORRISON 5 Daur
John MORRISON 2 Son

Although everything said in the census is not always true, and there is also the possibility of a mistranscription to take into account...
I reckon she appears to be the daughter of Charles Scott, though the relationships should be to he head of the household who is given as William Morrison aged 21, also stated as unmarried, who surely cannot be the father of these children, the eldest being 14

The household relationships seem to be a bit of a muddle here.

Later: just reread Jeans post, which seems to confirm Helen Scott being the daughter of Charles.

Charles Scott was a widower of Helen Morris. His daughter Helen Scott was informant.

Best wishes
Lesley