Hello folks,
For a long time now I have been trying to find a death certificate for my greatgrandfather Isaac RIEMER/REIMER
He arrived in Glasgow in 1886 having married Jane FISCH/TISH in Germany. I have found the marriage. They were Jewish. She was born Lithuania and in the 1891 census his birthplace is given as Russia.
They had seven children all registered in Glasgow from 1886-1895. I have the birth and death certificates of these children only three of whom lived to adulthood
In the 1891 census (surname transcribed RENNIER on Scotlandspeople) they are at 84 Crown Street, Gorbals, with the first two children.
On 24th September 1895 Isaac (surname RIMER) applied for Poor Relief and I have that document. At this time he had bronchitis and on 20th October 1896 his wife is described as 'widow'.
I was shown a piece of paper by his granddaughter (now deceased) which said 'Isaac RIEMER died 19th January 1896' His wife registered the birth (26th December 1895) of their last daughter on 23rd January 1896.
I have tried all sorts of surname derivations to find him on scotlandspeople but no luck.
It is possible, I suppose, that he left the country for some reason or that his death is registered under a surname spelling I haven't looked at yet.
Could someone suggest a direction, please? I would like to fulfill my New Years Resolution which is to find his death entry.
Many thanks
Carole
Unable to find dc for Isaac RIEMER 1896
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LesleyB
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Hi Carole
Best wishes
Lesley
What age is given for Isaac at this time?In the 1891 census (surname transcribed RENNIER on Scotlandspeople) they are at 84 Crown Street, Gorbals, with the first two children.
And she states he is deceased on the birth entry?His wife registered the birth (26th December 1895) of their last daughter on 23rd January 1896.
Best wishes
Lesley
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Hi Carole
I've wildcarded till I'm dizzy and this is the nearest I've been able to come up with so far:
1895 KERR ISAAC M 50 BLACKFRIARS GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/05 0450
- very much a long shot there and a few things wrong with it:
1. the year is not as you are expecting and from the number, 0450 I 'm not sure how far we are into the year. Depends on the average no. of deaths per year in Blackfriars...being fairly central in Glasgow the number of deaths per year occuring there could be quite a large total.
2. I don't know the age of your Isaac, but was I expecting him to be a little younger.
3. ...either this guy really is KERR, or there is a cracker of a mistranscription, ( I can understand how RIMER or similar might be seen as Kerr depending on the writing), or the surname was misheard.
Best wishes
Lesley
I've wildcarded till I'm dizzy and this is the nearest I've been able to come up with so far:
1895 KERR ISAAC M 50 BLACKFRIARS GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/05 0450
- very much a long shot there and a few things wrong with it:
1. the year is not as you are expecting and from the number, 0450 I 'm not sure how far we are into the year. Depends on the average no. of deaths per year in Blackfriars...being fairly central in Glasgow the number of deaths per year occuring there could be quite a large total.
2. I don't know the age of your Isaac, but was I expecting him to be a little younger.
3. ...either this guy really is KERR, or there is a cracker of a mistranscription, ( I can understand how RIMER or similar might be seen as Kerr depending on the writing), or the surname was misheard.
Best wishes
Lesley
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casserole
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Hello Lesley,
Thank you so much for time spent wildcarding.
Regarding the possible candidate that you found, my Isaac and family were in the parliamentary district of Blackfriars and Hutchesontown in the 1891 census so that looked good but I feel that the age is quite a bit out. I think it could be worth a punt even if it's to eliminate him.
When Isaac applied for the Poor Relief he was living at 112 Thistle Street, Gorbals
His wife registered the birth of their last daughter at District of Gorbals. She was born at 112 Thistle Street. There is nothing on the certificate to say that Isaac is deceased.
In the 1891 census it looks as though Isaac is ?32 ?39. It's not clear but his wife is 28.
In the Poor Relief Application in 1895 his age is given as 34.
Many thanks for your help, Lesley. It is so frustrating. I wonder if he went back to Germany, Russia or even America as I have often wondered if that was where the family were on their way to when they arrived in Scotland.
Regards,
Carole
Thank you so much for time spent wildcarding.
Regarding the possible candidate that you found, my Isaac and family were in the parliamentary district of Blackfriars and Hutchesontown in the 1891 census so that looked good but I feel that the age is quite a bit out. I think it could be worth a punt even if it's to eliminate him.
When Isaac applied for the Poor Relief he was living at 112 Thistle Street, Gorbals
His wife registered the birth of their last daughter at District of Gorbals. She was born at 112 Thistle Street. There is nothing on the certificate to say that Isaac is deceased.
In the 1891 census it looks as though Isaac is ?32 ?39. It's not clear but his wife is 28.
In the Poor Relief Application in 1895 his age is given as 34.
Many thanks for your help, Lesley. It is so frustrating. I wonder if he went back to Germany, Russia or even America as I have often wondered if that was where the family were on their way to when they arrived in Scotland.
Regards,
Carole
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If Isaac was dead when his daughter's birth was registered it should have been noted.casserole wrote:Hello Lesley,
His wife registered the birth of their last daughter at District of Gorbals. She was born at 112 Thistle Street. There is nothing on the certificate to say that Isaac is deceased.
Regards,
Carole
Regards,
Annette
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casserole
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Hello Annette,
Yes, this is Isaac's wife and I have her death certificate for 1918. She is buried at the Jewish section of Sandymount Cemetery but Isaac is not there.
The outcome of the report of the Application for Poor Relief was that:
the first entry is dated Feb 12 1896 - 5/- per week. Poorhouse per com. Not in.
second entry 21 April 1896 - 4/6 per week
third entry 20 October 1896 widow 4/6 per week and clothing.
This is the first time that there is mention of 'widow'. It does not say who is receiving the relief in this report although it was Isaac who applied for it.
The entries go on from there until Jane died in 1918.
As you can see the entries begin after the possible date of death of Isaac so I wonder if he DID go off somewhere and the word didn't get back to his wife that he had died until sometime around the time of the third entry or, DID he die in January 1896 and all of the entries refer to relief to his widow?
Regards
Carole
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Yes, this is Isaac's wife and I have her death certificate for 1918. She is buried at the Jewish section of Sandymount Cemetery but Isaac is not there.
The outcome of the report of the Application for Poor Relief was that:
the first entry is dated Feb 12 1896 - 5/- per week. Poorhouse per com. Not in.
second entry 21 April 1896 - 4/6 per week
third entry 20 October 1896 widow 4/6 per week and clothing.
This is the first time that there is mention of 'widow'. It does not say who is receiving the relief in this report although it was Isaac who applied for it.
The entries go on from there until Jane died in 1918.
As you can see the entries begin after the possible date of death of Isaac so I wonder if he DID go off somewhere and the word didn't get back to his wife that he had died until sometime around the time of the third entry or, DID he die in January 1896 and all of the entries refer to relief to his widow?
Regards
Carole
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casserole
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Hello Annette,
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If Isaac was dead when his daughter's birth was registered it should have been noted.
It's looking more and more as though Isaac died in another country. This would explain why his wife registered the death and it may have been that she did not get word of his death until months later.
Any thoughts anybody?
Carole
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If Isaac was dead when his daughter's birth was registered it should have been noted.
It's looking more and more as though Isaac died in another country. This would explain why his wife registered the death and it may have been that she did not get word of his death until months later.
Any thoughts anybody?
Carole