Help in search for death cert please

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:11 pm

Hi,
I am looking for some advice on how to look for a death on SP - i am looking for Margaret McFarlane born Dunning Perth - i can't find her birth cert. She was married 16/1/1837 in Perth to Dougall McFarlane Baker. Her father was James Christie weaver - no mother mentioned.

They moved to Partick in Glasgow and had six children -
Dougall McFarlane died 17/10/1856 in Partick Glasgow. Isabella the eldest daughter married in 1857 to William Thomson in PERTH although both of their addresses were in Partick Glasgow.
I thought i had found her with the following

2 1889 CHRISTIE MARGARET WILSON MCFARLANE F 70 PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0454 VIEW (PAID

But it wasn't her and i think maybe i could improve how i am doing my search, any ideas gratefully received.

Ailsa

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:46 pm

A long shot - could this be Margaret in 1861 or have you found her anywhere else??

Name: Margaret Stoker
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Gender: Female
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 7 Clyde St
ED: 30
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_106
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stoker 40
Margaret Stoker 38
Dougall McFarlane 13 (app baker)
Hellen McFarlane 9
John McFarlane 7

Regards,
Annette

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:45 pm

Hi Annette,

Someone found the following info from 1861 before for me but it has Margaret McFarlane then Margaret and John Stoker - A first when i saw your posting i thought she might have married again (to John Stoker).

County: Perthshire
Address: 40 Meal Vennel
Occupation: Cotton Winder
ED: 17
Household schedule number: 89
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1861_51
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret McFarlane 40

The children below are described as son and daughter in law

Name: Dougall McFarlane
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Partick, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 7 Clyde St
Occupation: Ap Baker
ED: 30
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_106
Household Members: Name Age
Dougall McFarlane 13
Hellen McFarlane 9
John McFarlane 7
John Stoker 40
Margaret Stoker 38

This is the last i have seen of her.

Thanks for the reply,

Ailsa

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:15 pm

I'm not at all convinced that Nelmit isn't on the right trail with this one. That is an awful lot of coincidences....places of birth...years of birth...occupations....etc that fit nicely. Ailsa you mention that they had 6 children....would you mind listing them and the years of birth please? Have you attempted to trace marriages for any other than Isabella? There certainly is no sign of the Stoker census group after 1861 but what if they returned to Mr Stoker's native County Down???

Thinking cap is still on...

Best wishes
Jean

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:51 pm

Hi Jean,
I think she is still in Perth in 1861 - i have done a search on SP but there are a few Margaret M**farlan* coming up age 40.
I also done a search for Margaret in Milton 1861 but only one comes up and she is age 30.
I am getting confused now myself

I could not find any births of the children in Partick - have to rely on the census for ages. Only Isabella as she was born in Perth.

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:46 pm

Well...it's just that Isabella and family are not in Perth in 1861...so why would mum Margaret return there all alone???

Name: James McFarlan
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Partick, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 646/2
Registration district: Partick
Civil Parish: Govan
Town: Partick
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 14 Knowe St
Occupation: App Baker
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 138
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_114
Household Members: Name Age
William Thomson 23
Isabella Thomson 24
Margaret Thomson 2
William Thomson 1
James McFarlan 16

And if the weans with the Stoker family in 1861 are not the right McFarlanes then who are they and where do they disappear to? The fact that the relationships are stated as son in law etc are not conclusive at all.....I've seen more than one step child called an in-law before! The fact that no marriage is found for Margaret to Mr Stoker doesn't mean anything either....maybe they had an irregular marriage and never recorded it...or maybe they only called themselves married. Then of course there is brother James as an apprentice baker....isn't it only logical that his little brother Dougall might just possibly have the same occupation??

Name: Dougall McFarlane
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Partick, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 7 Clyde St
Occupation: Ap Baker
ED: 30
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_106
Household Members: Name Age
John Stoker 40
Margaret Stoker 38
Dougall McFarlane 13
Hellen McFarlane 9
John McFarlane 7

This one just has to remain a possibility in my book......just that I can't prove it yet

Best wishes
Jean

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:21 pm

Hi Jean,
I definitely think it is the children i am looking for. I was confused that there was a Margaret age 40 on a census i was given and then the Stoker couple. It could be her with him. As you say it's just proving it.

James is my gt gt gt grandfather and he was married in Belfast in 1871.

Thanks for the interest,

Ailsa

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:45 pm

JustJean wrote:Well...it's just that Isabella and family are not in Perth in 1861...so why would mum Margaret return there all alone???

Then of course there is brother James as an apprentice baker....isn't it only logical that his little brother Dougall might just possibly have the same occupation??

Best wishes
Jean

It was the fact that Dougall's father was a baker too that drew me to this one.

Regards,
Annette

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:01 pm

crayspond wrote:Hi Jean,
I definitely think it is the children i am looking for. I was confused that there was a Margaret age 40 on a census i was given and then the Stoker couple. It could be her with him. As you say it's just proving it.

James is my gt gt gt grandfather and he was married in Belfast in 1871.

Thanks for the interest,

Ailsa

Just seen this so it looks as though Jean's hunch that the family moved to Ireland was right.

Regards,
Annette

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:51 pm

I agree Annette.....I think they flit to Ireland cause they sure aren't turning up on any other passenger lists I've seen yet.

Best wishes
Jean