1881 census

Post by **HeatherH** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:11 am

Happy Burns day all,
On SP when you do a census lookup you have the option of paying a further 5 credits and seeing the previous or next page. I don't see the option on the 1881 census . I never thought on it before but I have a copy of the 1881 census transcript for my rellie John Clark at the Royal Hotel Dunoon. The image shows his wife and kids and 1 Visitor and 4 servants. I was wondering if perhaps the transcript could have been continued on next page. Same problem on another site that allows the index to be shown but unable to do address search which you can do on the English census for 1881. Anyone any ideas or am I missing something obvious here? ( has been known to happen as I start my day confused and progress from there)
Thanks,
Heather

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:08 am

Is the other sitre A*c*t*y.com? Because looking at it right now I am able to do an address search for the 1881 Scottish census. However, if you are looking for next door to the Hotel, you would need a street name, as nobody else comes up for the Royal Hotel Dunoon other than a John Clark, wife Ann, 5 kids 1 visitor and 4 servants.

Nina

Montrose Budie · Post by **Montrose Budie** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:58 am

I wasn't aware that images of the enumeration books for 1881 were available anywhere. Long promised on SP but still to happen.......

There's the following, however, from the CD, -

Dwelling: Royal Hotel
Census Place: Dunoon & Kilmun, Argyll, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203556 GRO Ref Volume 510
EnumDist 2 Page 34

Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John CLARK M 53 M Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Hotelkeeper
Ann CLARK M 45 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Kate CLARK U 21 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Duar
Occ: Assistant
Sarah CLARK 15 F Dunoon, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Maggie CLARK 14 F Dunoon, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
John CLARK 11 M Dunoon, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Annie CLARK 9 F Landbank, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Andrew CLARK 6 M Innellan, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Henry ETTLING U 26 M Germany
Rel: Visitor
Occ: Wine Grocer & Merchant
Ann MC ALPINE U 18 F Nornapdale, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Housemaid
Hellen RENNIE U 25 F Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Kitchenmaid
Kate MC KECHNIE U 21 F S Uist Mull
Rel: Serv
Occ: Housemaid
Mary HIGGIN M 50 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Laundress

The street address for the hotel is Marine Parade - Dunoon PA23 8HJ - Scotland, but, - later - , I don't think that the main road was known by this name back in 1881.

mb

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:01 am

HeatherH wrote:Happy Burns day all,
On SP when you do a census lookup you have the option of paying a further 5 credits and seeing the previous or next page. I don't see the option on the 1881 census . I never thought on it before but I have a copy of the 1881 census transcript for my rellie John Clark at the Royal Hotel Dunoon. The image shows his wife and kids and 1 Visitor and 4 servants. I was wondering if perhaps the transcript could have been continued on next page. Same problem on another site that allows the index to be shown but unable to do address search which you can do on the English census for 1881. Anyone any ideas or am I missing something obvious here? ( has been known to happen as I start my day confused and progress from there)
Thanks,
Heather

The 1881 census is a transcription of households so we don't see the actual images as they haven't been digitised (I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong).

The 1881 census discs allow you to view neighbours.

I had a wee look either side of John and family but don't see anybody who looks like a relation. Or was it something else you were trying to establish?

Regards,
Annette

Post by **HeatherH** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:06 pm

Hello again,
As I posted "I have a copy of the 1881 census transcript " it is not a copy of the enumerators books as we can see with the other census but a transcription of the image. what I was wondering in regards to this was this family ,its visitor and staff in the Royal Hotle possibly at the end of a page and there may perhaps be other guests on the following page or was the Hotle perhaps suffering a slump?
Cheers,
Heather

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:00 pm

Hi Heather

The way the 1881 census transcription is presented, it gives all persons at the one address, so I doubt there are any other folk living there at the time, or they would have been listed with the rest.

A Sunday night at the end of March / beginning of April is probably not a very busy time in any hotel in Scotland; any weekend guests would have set off for home earlier in the day. (Or perhaps it was not a very large hotel at that time either)

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:08 pm

Is this the same establishment?
http://www.huntersquay.net/hotels_in_dunoon
If so, it looks like it has been a large hotel for quite some time.

Post by **HeatherH** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:09 pm

Thanks Lesley,
Thats what I was wondering as to how the 1881 census was set up ... was it page by page or as a group.
Cheers,
Heather

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:39 pm

On doing an address search on Ancestry, a second Marine Hotel shows up in Dunoon. The one above was in Enumeration District 2, the other is in ED 9. It would take a bit more homework, and/or local knowledge to find if today's Marine Hotel is either of these.

The 1881 census was done in the same manner, with almost identical paperwork, to 1871 and 1891. As far as I can see, the transcriptions on SP are the pages as they were written. As I recall, the 1881 census on the LDS CDs is the same, but without the page breaks. (I cannot verify that as I have never made the LDS CDs work since I transferred my PC to Windows Vista 64-bit).

All the best,

AndrewP

Montrose Budie · Post by **Montrose Budie** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:45 pm

HeatherH wrote:Hello again,
As I posted "I have a copy of the 1881 census transcript " it is not a copy of the enumerators books as we can see with the other census but a transcription of the image. what I was wondering in regards to this was this family ,its visitor and staff in the Royal Hotle possibly at the end of a page and there may perhaps be other guests on the following page or was the Hotle perhaps suffering a slump?
Cheers,
Heather

The entries for all the censuses from 1841 to 1901 relate to a Schedule for the household involved, which could be a single family or an institution with 100s of inmates.

In the 1881 census info available, as in the other censues, each entry relates to a single Schedule regardless of whether that Schedule spanned 1 or more pages in the Enumeration Book to which the enumerator transcribed ('engrossed' being the guid auld Scots word) the info from the schedules.

mb

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