mothers maiden name

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:53 pm

I am trying to find out some details for a William Anderson b abt 1847

He married Eliz Getty on the 29th dec 1865, his father was John Anderson, mother was Margaret but I’m not sure what her maiden name is, Hatley, or Halley, tried a few searches for both, but can’t find anything .

I have uploaded William and Eliz. Mc 1865, maybe someone can decipher his mother maiden name better than me.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1797

Thank you

Gallery URL added - AndrewP

Post by **emanday** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:31 pm

It certainly looks like Halley to me.

I'd think the best way to check it is to find his death certificate.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:40 pm

Hi thomsos
The marriage you have there took place in the Free Church, so a strong chance the parents were also Free Kirk and the marriage of the parents and birth of William (20 in 1865, so birth abt 1845) may fall into the period after the Disruption in 1843, so between 1843 - 1855 they will not show on OPRs.

If, from the cenus you can work out where William was born, you may be able to find Free Kirk records which may give you the marriage and birth. Free Church records tend to be kept at NAS; they are not online.

Best wishes
Lesley

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:25 pm

Here he is in 1861 with mum and grandfather -

William Anderson 65 Airth, Stirling
Elizabeth Anderson 29 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
William Anderson 16 Hemerdon, Perth (ancestry)
John Drumard 1
Magny Taylor 1

He states he was born at Kincardine in 1871 & 1891.

Regards,
Annette

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:26 pm

Hi Thomsos,
Do you have the family in any earlier censuses to try to get some more information, possibly from the marriages and/or deaths of siblings?
I found a possible 1851 census for the family in Cathcart, Renfrewshire.
John Anderson, 51, born Paisley is a master Carpenter, which fits.
Margaret Anderson, 50, was born Govan
There are 8 children in the family in that census, ranging from age 4 to age 20, suggesting that the parent's marriage was at least as far back as 1831, so you won't find her in a census before her marriage.
All the children are born in Cathcart. Does that fit with later censuses of William? If this is the right family, he may be a little older than on the marriage cert. He is 9 in 1851.

Going back to 1841 in Cathcart, there are several more older children, pushing the marriage back to at least 1827. I think Lesley is correct that this marriage and the birth of the children will not show up in the OPRs. And, unfortunately, the youngest child that I can see in this family was born about 1847...

If you think this is the family, however, there are MANY siblings to help out the search!

All the best,
Sarah

P.S. Oops, if Annette found the correct person, then scratch this one!! But wait... his mum was supposed to be Margaret, no?

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:21 pm

SarahND wrote:
P.S. Oops, if Annette found the correct person, then scratch this one!! But wait... his mum was supposed to be Margaret, no?

Just assumed ( [-X ) because Elizabeth is described as daughter of William senior and William junior is described as grandson. But Elizabeth is a wee bit young to be his mother.

In 1851, living at Alloa wee William is shown as his nephew

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William Anderson 54
Margaret Anderson 51
Elizabeth Anderson 19 daughter
Christian Anderson 16
David Anderson 14
Marjory Anderson 11
William Anderson 5 nephew

In 1841 William senior has two older sons with him - John and William.

The only reason I chose this one in 1861, was William's occupation of Boilermaker and he said he was born at Clackmannanshire (although he keeps changing his mind throughout the census records).

There is one puzzling thing though. In 1871 I believe him to be the one at 21 Ann Street, Bridgeton because the children match with the IGI and the fact that he's a Boilermaker. However his wife's name is given as Margaret.

Anyway in 1881 she is shown as Elizabeth and it's definitely the same family.

Hope you followed all that.

Regards,
Annette

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:29 am

I take it its not just my family who doesn’t seem to know were they came from
This looks like William and Elizabeth in the 1881 and 1891 census – haven’t managed to find then in earlier ones yet!

1881 census:
295 Nuneaton St
Barony, Lanark, Scotland
William ANDERSON M 34 M Kincardine, Kincardine, Scotland Occ: Boiler Riveter
Elizabeth ANDERSON M 36 F Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland
Daur: Elizabeth ANDERSON U 14 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Occ: Cotton Weaver Unemployed
Daur :Margaret ANDERSON 13 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Occ: Cotton Factory Piecer
Son : John ANDERSON 10 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Occ: Scholar
Son : James ANDERSON 6 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland - Scholar
Daur : Ellen ANDERSON 1 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

1891 census -Name: William Anderson
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Spouse's name : Elizabeth
Where born: Alloway, Ayrshire
Address: 58 Franklin St
Barony
Occupation: Boilermaker
Elizabeth Anderson 46
Ellen Anderson 12
James Anderson 16
John Anderson 20
William Anderson 40

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:42 am

There are too many coincidences for this not to be him in 1871 although his wife's name is given as Margaret.

Could William have said Alloa in 1881 and it was mistaken for Alloway?

From Ancestry -

Name: William Anderson
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkerm, Clackmannanshire
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 21 Ann Street
Occupation: Bailermaker
ED: 106
Household schedule number: 74
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_129
Household Members:
Name Age
William Anderson 26
Margaret Anderson 26 born Blantyre (same as Elizabeth in 1881)
Elizabeth Anderson 5
Margaret Anderson 3
John Anderson 9mos

This led me to this one in 1861 -

Name: William Anderson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hemerdon, Perth
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil Parish: Glasgow St John
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 37 Wesleyan St
Occupation: Boiler Maker
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 44
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_100
Household Members:
Name Age
William Anderson 65 born Airth, Stirling
Elizabeth Anderson 29
William Anderson 16
John Drumard 1
Magny Taylor 1

William senior is easy to find in 1851 (where he has a wee William described as nephew with him) and 1841(where he has a son John). He is still alive in 1871 so it might be worth having a look to see who registered his death.

Regards,
Annette

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:07 pm

Sorry please excuse me, its the age thing again, but I think I’m getting a bit mixed up with my Williams, Elizabeths, John’s and Margaret’s

What I have at present is

John Anderson born abt 1825?? Married to Margaret Halley? B abt 1825?? Where unknown

John was dec. when there son William Anderson and Eliz. Getty were married, in 1865, Margaret was not dec, but not found dc. for either of them yet!

William was born abt 1845? Kincardine or Alloway or Alloa, Eliz. Getty was born Dec 1842 Blantyre, died 1892 Bridgeton

William was the informant on Eliz. Dc 1892 and he was dec in 1908 when his daughter Eliz. Died. Haven’t found his dc yet.

I agree it look like them in the 1871 census in Ann st, they don’t seem to know their names as well as where they were born, what chance have I got!!

I have tried to find William Anderson snr death, but I don’t seem to be very good at this, all the ones I have viewed have not been him.

God help us oldies

Post by **SarahND** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:25 pm

thomsos wrote:Sorry please excuse me, its the age thing again, but I think I’m getting a bit mixed up with my Williams, Elizabeths, John’s and Margaret’s

You're not the only one! I re-read this thread when I got up this morning, rolled my eyes

went to get a cup of coffee, but it didn't help

s So then I ran away

Good luck with this lot!

Sarah