Susan Bullimore.....

[Jude]

Hi, my name is Judith, I am a new member on this site and I live in Brisbane Australia. I have been trying for some time to obtain information on my great grandmother Susan Bullimore but seem to have hit a very solid brick wall.
Susan was living in Scotland in 1870's and she gave birth to a daughter Elizabeth Charlotte on December 14th 1876 at the Royal Maternity Hospital in John Street Edinburgh. Elizabeth was born in the district of Canongate in the Burgh of Edinburgh. She is listed as illegimate and her mother Susan is described as a housemaid living at 9 Catherine Street. Susan later moved to London and was living in Lambeth when she gave birth to another illegimate child in 1879 called Henry Albert Bullimore (my grandfather).

I am trying to find out if Susan was originally from Scotland or just happened to be living there when she gave birth to her daughter. Some sources have suggested that she may have had a relationship with a soldier and that he had been posted to Scotland. Or possibly she was sent away from her english home when she fell pregnant. I have had a look on the Scotland's people website with no success.

I cannot go any further with my research and with a name like Bullimore this is very frustrating as it is a fairly uncommon surname. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
If I can help anyone looking for information from Australia for their family tree I will be happy to do so.

Judith Bullimore

[AndrewP]

Hi Judith,

Welcome to TalkingScot.

This appears to be the two children in the 1881 census.

• Dwelling: 23 Harriss Place
  Census Place: Camberwell, Surrey, England
  Source: FHL Film 1341156 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0672 Folio 140 Page 92
  Marr Age Sex Birthplace
  Thomas SAUNDERS M 40 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Head
  Occ: Lock Smith
  Sarah SAUNDERS M 38 F St Lukes, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Wife
  Occ: Flower Maker
  Annie E. SAUNDERS U 18 F St Lukes, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Daur
  Occ: Bag Maker
  Emily M. SAUNDERS U 16 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Daur
  Occ: Book Folder
  Alice Sarah SAUNDERS U 13 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Daur
  Occ: Lace Maker
  Marian L. SAUNDERS U 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Daur
  Occ: Scholar
  Thomas H. SAUNDERS 8 M Islington, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Son
  Occ: Scholar
  Kitty E. SAUNDERS 6 F Islington, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Daur
  Occ: Scholar
  Frederick W. SAUNDERS 2 m M Camberwell, Middlesex, England
  Rel: Son
  Elizabeth BULLIMORE 4 F Scotland
  Rel: Boarder
  Occ: Scholar
  Henry BULLIMORE 2 M Lambeth St Marys, Surrey, England
  Rel: Boarder

No obvious sign of their mother in this household. Sarah is not one of the usual alternatives for Susan, so I doubt the wife in this household is the mother of the two Bullimore children.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[DavidWW]

Hi Judith,
.....much snipped ..........

• Elizabeth BULLIMORE 4 F Scotland
  Rel: Boarder
  Occ: Scholar
  Henry BULLIMORE 2 M Lambeth St Marys, Surrey, England
  Rel: Boarder

No obvious sign of their mother in this household. Sarah is not one of the usual alternatives for Susan, so I doubt the wife in this household is the mother of the two Bullimore children.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

Relationships were supposed to be shown in terms of the relation to the "Head of Household", - I write "supposed" as not every enumerator fully understood the consequences and implications.

In this case it could well be the case that Thomas may well have been denying paternity even when the kiddiewinkies were in his household.

If Sarah was the mother of these kids but Thomas wasn't interested in acknowledging them as part of his family, then that situation could have resulted in this census entry...........

If Thomas SAUNDERS was indeed the father, then a look in the military records at TNA might assist the situation ...........

Davie

[Guest]

Hi Judith, and welcome to TalkingScot. The IGI lists three - Sue-Susan-Susanna- all having been born in England, when searching all the British Isle records. None turned up in Scotland during the time period I searched. One entry is patron submitted- Sue Bullimore born about 1862 in Harlaxton. That record has a listing of siblings as well.
The other two: Susan Bullimore born in 1859 in Northampton and Susanna Lucy Bullimore born in 1854 in Surry. If you have an indication of her age from any of your documents, perhaps you can match that to one of the records on the LDS site, or at least eliminate those three possibilities.
I am not familiar with records from England, but have found various relatives living with other family members and noted as “boarders” in Scottish censuses. Other members of the household who were outside the family have been noted as “lodgers”.
Catherine

[MaryE]

Judith

I don't think that the Thomas Saunders of the 1881 census is the father of the two Bullimore children who are in the household as boarders because the Saunders family is still in Camberwell in 1891 and there's no sign of the Bullimore children this time.

1891 Census
Camberwell
RG12/489 - Reg Dist: Camberwell - Sub Reg Dist: St George - ED 16 - Folio 78 - Page 70

13 Grenard(?) Rd - Schedule 416

Thomas Saunders - Head - Mar - 51 - Smith - born London, St Pancras
Sarah Saunders - Wife - Mar - 49 - Artificial Flower Maker - born London, Finsbury
Annie E Saunders - Dau - Sing - 30 - Artificial Flower Maker - born London, St Pancras
Thomas N Saunders - Son - Sing - 18 - General Labourer - born London, Islington
Minnie L Saunders - Dau - 20 - Artificial Flower Maker - born London, Islington
Henrietta E Saunders - Dau - 16 - Artificial Flower Maker - born London, Islington
Frederick W Saunders - Son - 10 - Scholar - born London, Islington

Annie, Thomas and Frederick all match the 1881 names. Marion seems to be known as Minnie - not unreasonable - and I suspect that the original of the 1881 census shows Hetty rather than Kitty which would match Henrietta. I've tried to look at the original but unfortunately that page is missing from the digitised version of the 1881 census.

Incidentally, I can't see any sign of any of the three Bullimores (Susan, Elizabeth and Henry) in England or Wales in 1891 or 1901, unless they're very badly mis-indexed. I've searched using Bul*mor* to try to pick up obvious mis-spellings. Do you know whether your grandfather Henry stayed in England or moved to Scotland? Perhaps if the soldier story is true they were all out of the country at the time of the 1891 and 1901 census?

Mary

[jude1963]

Hi, my name is Judith, I am a new member on this site and I live in Brisbane Australia. I have been trying for some time to obtain information on my great grandmother Susan Bullimore but seem to have hit a very solid brick wall.
Susan was living in Scotland in 1870's and she gave birth to a daughter Elizabeth Charlotte on December 14th 1876 at the Royal Maternity Hospital in John Street Edinburgh. Elizabeth was born in the district of Canongate in the Burgh of Edinburgh. She is listed as illegimate and her mother Susan is described as a housemaid living at 9 Catherine Street. Susan later moved to London and was living in Lambeth when she gave birth to another illegimate child in 1879 called Henry Albert Bullimore (my grandfather).

I am trying to find out if Susan was originally from Scotland or just happened to be living there when she gave birth to her daughter. Some sources have suggested that she may have had a relationship with a soldier and that he had been posted to Scotland. Or possibly she was sent away from her english home when she fell pregnant. I have had a look on the Scotland's people website with no success.

I cannot go any further with my research and with a name like Bullimore this is very frustrating as it is a fairly uncommon surname. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
If I can help anyone looking for information from Australia for their family tree I will be happy to do so.

Judith Bullimore

correct email address is jabullimoreAThotmail.com
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