Joseph.....

[emma]

where could I find the birth of a baby boy born in forrest hall in the 1940,s and taken for adoption at 5 months old , only know his name was Joseph, surname either Johns ,or murgitroyd.tried igi with no luck,was there a different registry for places like Forrest Hall in glasgow. emma

[Rab]

I think you'd have to make a visit to New Register House in Edinburgh firstly to locate the birth. The computerised system there makes it very easily to do searches.

I'm not sure if the Scottish birth certificates have the adoption noted like they do in England. In England the original birth entry is marked 'adopted' in the margin by the Superintendent Registrar of the area where the birth was registered.

[CatrionaL]

Hullo Emma!

Good to have you with us.

As Rab says, you are going to have to take a trip to New Register House, Edinburgh, or get someone else to go for the information on a 1940 birth. Online births on Scotlands People only go up to 1904. On the IGI, if my memory serves me right, only as far as 1875.

Hope your search is succesful.
All the best
Catriona

[DavidWW]

When a child was adopted, after the Act introducing recording of this in 1930, a separate Register of Adoptions was introduced, and a "new" birth certificate supplied for the child in question. There is a cross-reference between the orginal entry in the Register of Births and this new entry, but the Register of Adoptions is not open to the general public.

David

[emma]

many thanks Rab,Catrional and David for your help, unfortunately I live in England and am unable to travel, Joseph is my half brother and all my mother told me was that he was adopted when he was 5,months old, I have often thought about him and wondered if he was trying to find out who was his natural family, thanks once again all of you, Emma

[emma]

dear david, you said in your reply that there is no cross reference between the birth and the new certificate, does that mean the child has no way of tracing his natural roots.? yours emma

[AndrewP]

Hi Emma,

Have a read at the following webpage from GROS regarding adoption and tracing birth parents.

http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/regscot/adoption.html

Given that you have a choice of two names, approximate location, and an approximate year to consider, you could apply to GROS for a copy of this certificate. There is a fee for their search, and copying of the certificate. Or, if you can visit New Register House, you can do the search yourself, and pay for the copy. As said by Davie, this certificate will give no clues to the adoption certificate, it will be a normal birth certificate - probably like yours, mine and the rest in there.

To answer your other point in your initial message, you would not find his birth indexed on the IGI. The extraction program for the Scottish Records stopped at 1875.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[emma]

dear andrew, thank you for your reply and suggestion, to be honest, I do not know why my mother chose to tell me about him before she died, but my thought at the moment is that with proof of his birth I could add him to my online family tree and he would then know something about his ancesters. many thanks, your emma

[Rab]

dear david, you said in your reply that there is no cross reference between the birth and the new certificate, does that mean the child has no way of tracing his natural roots.? yours emma

I might be wrong on this but I'm sure the natural parents are still recorded on the adoption certificate. I think what David is saying that it is not cross referenced back to the actual birth certificate like it is in England.

Best of luck, I hope you find the certificate you are looking for.

[emma]

thanks rab, I,ll let you know if I am successful, yours emma