Decipher name - m.c 1889 Glasgow

[casserole]

I wonder if someone can help to decipher the first name of the groom's mother on the following marriage certificate.
The groom's name is Bernhard TISCH/FISCH

I have a copy of this marriage from scotlandspeople but the print isn't clear enough to read this name.


District of Kelvin, Burgh of Glasgow
644/9/98

6 March 1889
The Synagogue
Glasgow

Many thanks
Carole

[JustJean]

Good grief the names are all over the place for this lady!! Bernhard is calling her something that looks like Lieddie Fisch mn Ginsberg on his MC....a few years later on the 1891 census she appears as Rachel Ginsberg, mother, in his household...and then I'll be darned but the lady dies in 1901 and Bernhard seems to think shes Rachel Fisch mn Feldman. They all seem to be the same person.

Best wishes
Jean

[casserole]

Yep, Jean, you've got it. Big, big, problem. If you look on the marriage certificate in question you will see that the bride's mother has the same surname as the groom's mother! I'm beginning to think that they made it up as they went along.

Anyway, many thanks for your reply. Before I downloaded the marriage certificate someone transcribed the details for me when he went on a visit to Edinburgh. He transcribed it as Leittie but when I saw the certificate I was sure that that wasn't correct thus my plea to the good people of the talkingscot forum. Not sure if Lieddie is right either.

Thank you anyway, Jean, much obliged and I'll keep that suggestion on file.

All the best,
Carole

[JustJean]

Well....if you want to view yet another version have a peek at what can only be Bernhard's sister's marriage...

1887 BANK LEO TISCH TERESAH KELVIN GLASGOW/LANARK 644/09 0491

It doesn' t look like Lieddie here... more like Li with a series of humps that could be a's or n's or o's or s's or ??? But certainly no t's or d's. and a maiden name of Feldman!

Best wishes
Jean

[JustJean]

By all means you should contact the GROS via a contact form and ask for a clearer photocopy to be emailed or snail mailed to you for both of these certs. It could make all the difference if the faint ink is filled in!!

Best wishes
Jean

[speleobat2]

Somebody was really confused--maybe not just us!

The 1901 census has Bernhard's wife Sarah as Sarah Feldman on Ancestry with Rachel Feldman as mother-in-law.

The 1891 census has Rachel Ginsberg as Bernhard's mother--not Sarah's so maybe there were two Rachel's.

Don't have the credits to look at the sister's marriage in your last post Jean, but could that be Leonora? I saw a Leonora Tisch/Fisch on the census records on Ancestry somewhere.

Carol

[JustJean]

Let's see if this works....

Here's the box containing parents on Teresah's marriage



and here's the box containing parents data on Bernhard's marriage



Best wishes
Jean

PS..so yeah...it just might be a form of Lenora!

[speleobat2]

Well, it certainly isn't Rachel!

Carol

[carlineric]

Have someone on my family called Letitia who used Leddie.

Eric

[paddyscar]

Hi Carole:

From Jean's inclusion of the written names, I think it looks like

1) Hira Tisch, Schoolmaster (deceased) and Linna Tisch M.S. Feldman
2) Harris Tisch, Casket maker (deceased) Lieddie Tisch m.s. Ginsberg

Hira may have been changed to Harris to 'blend in'.

The two occupations have very separate skill sets; so could there have been two couples in the same house?

Could Bernhard and Teresah have had different mothers? or could Lieddie and Linna haved been married to two cousins?

Frances