BIRTH RECORD+RCE

[scoobydo]

I am trying to find some information on my Father. I have his birth cirtificate but it does not mention a Father. I was reading an article in "Your Family History" and it mentions Register of Corrected Entries. I am not sure if this is supposed to be mentioned on the birth cirtificate or is it to be found somewhere else. I am having no luck with this. I know that my Father was David Milne Gardner. He was born at 60 Logie Street Dundee and his Mothers Name was Maggie Love Gardner. She was a milliner. Three years after my Father was born she married a Henry Pettie but my Father was never brought up with this family and there was 6 other children. My Father was born 20th Nov. 1893. He was left with his Grandparents but his Grandmother died when he was 10. She died at 9 Forest Park Road Dundee. I have no idea were my Father lived I cannot seem to find him on any census. Any ideas would be most welcome I am getting very disheartened. It like banging your head against a brick wall. Perhaps I would be better to just move on. I think he was named after his uncle who was also David Milne Gardner. Thankyou.

[DavidWW]

Hi Scoobydo

If there had been an entry in the Register of Corrected Entries in relation to his father, - the birth register entry shows him as illegitimate, - than there would have been an oval RCE stamp on the very left of the entry for him. There's not, - I've just checked!

In the 1901 census for Dundee there's a 7 year old David GARDENER in the household of the widow Elizabeth DUNCAN, shown as a boarder and born Dundee.........

I assume that you have Maggie's 1870 birth register entry?

I assume also that you have the 1919 marriage of a David Milne GARDNER to Mary Ann Ramsay Carr HARRIS showing his parents as Alexander Gibson GARDNER [the name of Margaret Love GARDNER's father!] and Margaret GARDEN MS LOVE? (there no record in the statutory registers of such a marraige, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't an irregular marriage....)

BTW there is also the birth in 1968 in Dundee of a David Milne GARDNER, who could well be the uncle to whom you refer.

From IGI Maggie had at least 3 siblings............

DAVID MILNE GARDNER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 JUL 1868 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

KATE MCPHERSON GARDNER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 26 FEB 1872 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

ALEXANDER GARDNER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 28 FEB 1874 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

David

[scoobydo]

Thankyou for the information David. I do know that my Dad was married twice the first time to Mary but I did not know that he had registered his Grandfather as his Father. His Grandmother as I said was Agnes Doig my Dad never mentioned his family untill later in life and we did not find out about the lack of a Father till a few years before he died. I should get a hold of his marriage certificate to my Mother I wonder what that says. I think my brother has it. I have the idea that it says the same thing. He was always very sensitive about the situation and I think it made a difference in his life. I wonder if that could have been him living with the widow at 7. My Dads 1st marriage was a few months after he returned from the 1st World War. He had been injured and spent time in hospital. He was in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. I was just wondering if Henry Pettie could have been his Father but then when his Mother married she would have taken my Father with her not left him with others.

[nelmit]

I am trying to find some information on my Father. I have his birth cirtificate but it does not mention a Father. I was reading an article in "Your Family History" and it mentions Register of Corrected Entries. I am not sure if this is supposed to be mentioned on the birth cirtificate or is it to be found somewhere else. I am having no luck with this. I know that my Father was David Milne Gardner. He was born at 60 Logie Street Dundee and his Mothers Name was Maggie Love Gardner. She was a milliner. Three years after my Father was born she married a Henry Pettie but my Father was never brought up with this family and there was 6 other children. My Father was born 20th Nov. 1893. He was left with his Grandparents but his Grandmother died when he was 10. She died at 9 Forest Park Road Dundee. I have no idea were my Father lived I cannot seem to find him on any census. Any ideas would be most welcome I am getting very disheartened. It like banging your head against a brick wall. Perhaps I would be better to just move on. I think he was named after his uncle who was also David Milne Gardner. Thankyou.

I don't know if this helps or not but his mother and grandparents were living in Glasgow in 1881.

Dwelling: 58 Fairfield St
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203687 GRO Ref Volume 646-1 EnumDist 39 Page 36
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alexander G. GARDNER M 45 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Engine Fitter At Works
Agnes M. GARDNER M 39 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Margaret L. GARDNER U 11 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland

Regards,
Annette M

[DavidWW]

Thankyou for the information David. I do know that my Dad was married twice the first time to Mary but I did not know that he had registered his Grandfather as his Father. His Grandmother as I said was Agnes Doig my Dad never mentioned his family untill later in life and we did not find out about the lack of a Father till a few years before he died. I should get a hold of his marriage certificate to my Mother I wonder what that says. I think my brother has it. I have the idea that it says the same thing. He was always very sensitive about the situation and I think it made a difference in his life. I wonder if that could have been him living with the widow at 7. My Dads 1st marriage was a few months after he returned from the 1st World War. He had been injured and spent time in hospital. He was in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. I was just wondering if Henry Pettie could have been his Father but then when his Mother married she would have taken my Father with her not left him with others.

If Henry PETTIE was the father it would have been highly unusual for a 4 year old boy not to be living with them in 1897 and later, which tends to infer, - nothing in this game is absolute, - that he was not Henry's son; and there's certainly no David in the PETTIE household in 1901..........

David Milne GARDER's grandmother was Agnes Doid MIILNE; and his greatparents were James GARDNER and Margaret LOVE.

If you do a female death index cross check search at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk you'll find a possible match for Margaret's
death, but, for a number if reasons, it's a possibility only.

David

[scoobydo]

David , Yes I think its highly unlikely that Henry Pettie was his father. Henry Pettie was surgical Instrument maker and had a shop in Dundee. My Father was never a part of the family and was not treated as such. His Mother died around 1935. Thankyou all for your help. I am trying to cross reference the information you have given me with what I already have.

[scoobydo]

This is a little off topic, well sort of. Do any of you get annoyed at some of the things that happened to your ancestors. The injustices done to them. Sometimes I get caught up in the emotions rather than the history and I have to try not to do that.

[nelmit]

This is a little off topic, well sort of. Do any of you get annoyed at some of the things that happened to your ancestors. The injustices done to them. Sometimes I get caught up in the emotions rather than the history and I have to try not to do that.

I've learned a lot about my country and it's people since I started out on my family history trail and it has been much more interesting than the history lessons I had at school.

Along the way I've laughed and cried, felt humbled, proud, angry, happy, confused, frustrated, sad, elated etc. You name it I've felt it and thank goodness because sometimes I think we tend to forget our ancestors were real people

Have you read Moonwatcher's stories?

Regards,
Annette M

[scoobydo]

No were would they be?

[CatrionaL]

In the My Scotland Forum, scoobydoo.

All the best
Cattriona