death record

[Mc Fadyen]

Hi I am new to this site so not sure if I will do this properly. I cannot find a death for my Dads mother and father,I have tried on Scotlands People
to no avail. The name of his father was John Murphy born in Ireland in Antrim 1867 ,his wife was Agnes Mc Aughey also spelt Mc Caughey born
in Ireland in Antrim in 1869. They went to Port Glasgow and Married in 1894 in Church of Scotland. They had four children Edward born 1897 died
1898. Mary Ann born 1899. John born 1902 .Hugh born 1907. I think they had another two children that died early but I havent got them. As far as I know the parents died when John was about 11 years and was bought up by an aunt. I have spent alot on Scotlands people looking ,any help would be apprecitated. jan

[Hibee]

Hi Jan

Welcome to the forum.

Maybe better to wait 3 months and look for them on them on the 1911 census. That might confirm that they were still alive at that time, and also that they hadn't sneaked down to England.

Hibee

[Ina]

Hi,

Have you tried to find the death record in Greenock? The nearest hospital was in Greenock, so if he died in the hospital the death may be registered in Greenock.

Regards,

Ina

[Montrose Budie]

Hi I am new to this site so not sure if I will do this properly. I cannot find a death for my Dads mother and father,I have tried on Scotlands People to no avail. The name of his father was John Murphy born in Ireland in Antrim 1867 ,his wife was Agnes Mc Aughey also spelt Mc Caughey born
in Ireland in Antrim in 1869. They went to Port Glasgow and Married in 1894 in Church of Scotland. They had four children Edward born 1897 died 1898. Mary Ann born 1899. John born 1902 .Hugh born 1907. I think they had another two children that died early but I havent got them. As far as I know the parents died when John was about 11 years and was bought up by an aunt. I have spent alot on Scotlands people looking ,any help would be apprecitated. jan

Hi Jan

There's certainly no Scottish record death that I can find for either John or Agnes any time around 1913; and that includes playing tunes on the SP website with the various surname variant possibilities, including extensive use of wildcards, as well as using the married female cross-check facility both ways, i.e. MURPHY with wildcards and McAUGHEY or McCAUGHEY; and McAUGHEY with wildcards and MURPHY (it's not possible to use wildcards in the second surname).

I see that Mary Ann, 1899, John, 1902, and Hugh, 1907, were all born in Port Glasgow.

Curiously, there's no trace that I can see of the family in the 1901 census in Scotland, but then neither is there in England (Ancestry) or Ireland (National Archives website), so that this might just be one of the rare occasions on which a family were missed, if they are not 'hiding' under a totally unrecognisable rendering of their surname.

The Ancestry look included the 1901 Scottish census and a look at all MURPHY families in Bouverie Terrace in Port Glasgow, the address that shows up for Agnes in 1894, and the 1899 and 1907 births for Mary Ann and Hugh; as well as Blackston Buildings in Port Glasgow where John was born in 1902.


It is far from uncommon to find that a family such as this moved back and forth across the North Channel between the West of Scotland and NI.


For someone resident in Port Glasgow it was far from uncommon for them to be sent to one of the large general hospitals in Glasgow, if the local Greenock hospital didn't have the required expertise.


I seem to recall that there are excellent valuation rolls records for Greenock, so that this might also be the case for 'next door' Port Glasgow.


What details do you have of the aunt?


Have you any idea if the parents of John (Edward and Margaret) or Agnes (William and Mary Ann) also came across to Scotland?

mb

[momat]

Hi Jan,
Ancestry have a Family Tree for this family (presuming it's not your entry)
and it has no more data than you.
But Scotland's People have a marriage in 1919 for their daughter Mary to John White and John Murphy is still alive then but Agnes McCaughey is not.
The address listed for Mary is Bouverie St Port Glasgow .
May pay to look at the other children re marriages to pin point when Agnes died.

[SarahND]

Hi all,
This could be Agnes and Mary Ann in 1901, with Agnes' age a bit off and Mary Ann's birthplace wrong (at least in the Ancestry transcription.) John seems to have been elsewhere on census night.

1901
169 Bouverie Ter, Port Glasgow
Agnes Murphy, 26, Head, born Ireland, Yarn Weaver
Mary Murphy, 1, Daur, born Ireland

This doesn't take us any nearer finding the death records, unfortunately, since presumably John was still alive to father the rest of the children.

All the best,
Sarah

[AndrewP]

Hi Jan,

John's 1919 death can be found on ScotlandsPeople. He died in an asylum in Gourock. His (new) son-in-law registered the death.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Mc Fadyen]

Hi thank you all who posted replies .Just want to say that I do have my tree on Ancestry and I did think that the 1901 census on Agnes Murphy
with a daughter called Mary but it said she was born 1900 in Ireland . The daughter they had called Mary Ann was born 1899 in Port Glasgow.
I do have a death for John Murphy mother who was Margaret she died in Port Glasgow in 1913 but I dont know when her husband Edward died
so they came over from Ireland . On the mothers death it had her daughter present called Letitia Harrington. Some one said that there was a
Marriage for Mary and she married a John White that some thing I dont have but I did know she married a John White but I thought it was in England.
As for Agnes I dont think her Parents went to Scotland, on her marriage to John her father was deceased. I will just keep looking thanks ever one
Jan

[Mc Fadyen]

Hi Jan,
Ancestry have a Family Tree for this family (presuming it's not your entry)
and it has no more data than you.
But Scotland's People have a marriage in 1919 for their daughter Mary to John White and John Murphy is still alive then but Agnes McCaughey is not.
The address listed for Mary is Bouverie St Port Glasgow .
May pay to look at the other children re marriages to pin point when Agnes died.

I just want to thank you so much I have just found the marriage which is Mary and John White .
Jan

[Mc Fadyen]

Hi Jan,

John's 1919 death can be found on ScotlandsPeople. He died in an asylum in Gourock. His (new) son-in-law registered the death.

All the best,

AndrewP

Thanks so much atlast I have the death for John so many people have not been able to find anything for me and you have I am so gratfull
I will try to find the death for Agnes now.
Jan