Information provided on Death Registrations.....

HeatherV · Post by **HeatherV** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:42 pm

I've got a situation that has appeared twice and am wondering if anyone else has come across the same ?

Death Registration of both husband and wife list the mother as the same name. Could be a coinciendence but now I've got two married couples like this and it seems a little odd.

Comments much appreciated ...

Heatherv

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:43 pm

HeatherV

Who was the informant in both cases?

It sounds to me very much like the same person, and the related stress leading to an error in the info provided to the registrar. Such confusion, especially if the informant is not a sibling or the spouse is quite common.

Altho' if the names involved are very commonly occuring, then it's not an impossible coincidence.

What do other related records, - statutory and census, - provide as info that could help to clarify the situation?

David

HeatherV · Post by **HeatherV** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:56 am

08 Sep 1868 Death of John Murdoch husband of Jane McMillan
His parents are listed as John Murdoch and Jane Selkirk

04 Aug 1884 Death of Jane McMillan wife of John Murdoch
Her parents are listed as James McMillan and Jane Selkirk

~ also ~

04 Apr 1891 Death of James Lidster husband of Agnes Phillips
His parents are listed as James Lidster and Catherine Renton

11 Sep 1894 Death of Agnes Phillips wife of James Lidster
Her parents are listed as John Phillips and Catherine Renton

Possible that the two fathers married women of the same first and last
name?

Heatherv

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:32 am

HeatherV wrote:....snipped............
Possible that the two fathers married women of the same first and last
name?

Heatherv

Always a possibility, but with names such as those, most unlikely. In the various cases who was the informant?

David

Andy · Post by **Andy** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:07 am

IGI has no marriages or births to John Murdoch and Jane Selkirk but there are six extracted births for James McMillan and Jane Selkirk:

1. MARY MCMILLAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 MAY 1828 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
2. JEAN MCMILLAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 JAN 1824 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
3. ELIZABETH MCMILLAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 APR 1831 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
4. MARGARET MCMILLAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 AUG 1819 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
5. AGNES MCMILLAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 JAN 1835 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
6. JANET MCMILLAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 MAY 1828 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland

Earlier censuses should give an indication of John Murdoch's age and since John and Jane were married in 1848 there is a good chance of finding John in the 1841 census with both parents (probably around the Gorbals).

Do you know if John had any siblings? Tracking down their marriages or deaths may provide more accurate parentage.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:36 am

Hi Heather,
I know you'll know of the marriages & births.
Sorry no more on the censuses - the original pages should provide more details (now added).
but the names don't exactly fit what Andy has found.
Difficult to find the right John MURDOCH abt 15-20yrs in Glasgow 1841 without parents' names, and any possible siblings.
--
JAMES MCMILLAN
JEAN SELKIRK
Marriage: 18 APR 1818 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
--
JOHN MURDOCK
JANE MCMILLAN
Marriage: 19 NOV 1848 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
--
1841 cens 644-2 Ed 6 p 26 (Tradeston)
54 Dale St.
Jas. McMILLAN, 50, tinsmith, b LKS
Jane SELKING? / SELCRAG?, 45, -- b LKS
Mary McMILLAN, 18, powerloom weaver, cotton, b LKS
Jane McMILLAN, 15, powerloom weaver, cotton, b LKS
Jas. McMILLAN, 14, moulder, apprentice, b LKS
Janet McMILLAN, 10, ------ b LKS
Margt. McMILLAN, 10, ----- b LKS
William KIRKWOOD, 18, smith, apprentice, b LKS
&
1851 cens 644-2 (621) Ed 18 p 10 (Tradeston)
54 Dale St.
James McMILLAN, head, marr, 60, tinsmith, b Glasgow, LKS
Jane McMILLAN, wife, 55, wife & housekeeper to do, b Kilmarnock, AYR
John MURDOCH, lodger, marr, 26, iron boiler maker, b Glasgow, LKS
Jane MURDOCH, wife of lodger, marr, 27, wife & housekeeper to do, b Glasgow, LKS
John MURDOCH, lodgers son, 2, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
James MURDOCH, lodgers son, 4mos, --- b Glasgow, LKS
Henry HOSIE, visitor, 8, scholar, b Water of Leith, Edinburgh
William KIRKWOOD, lodger, marr, 30, engine fitter, b Pollokshaws, RFW
Mary KIRKWOOD, wife of lodger, marr, 29, wife & housekeeper to do, b Ayr, AYR
James KIRKWOOD, lodgers son, 3, ------- b Ayr, AYR
William KIRKWOOD, lodgers son, 1, ------ b Ayr, AYR
--
Jack

ps - wonder who this James is? only one i can see in 1851 is the one above aged abt 1. (actually 4mos)

JAMES MURDOCH
Birth: 16 DEC 1850
Christening: 26 JAN 1851 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOHN MURDOCH
Mother: JEAN SALTCRAIG
--
Don't know if these two are children of the family, but can't see them in 1861 Glasgow.
Nor John MURDOCH & wife Jane McMILLAN together either - where did they die?

ARCHIBALD MURDOCH
Birth: 08 FEB 1853
Christening: 27 FEB 1853 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOHN MURDOCH
Mother: JANE MCMILNE
--
ALEXANDER MURDOCH
Birth: 09 OCT 1858 Shettleston, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOHN MURDOCH
Mother: JANE MCMILLAN
--

HeatherV · Post by **HeatherV** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:52 pm

Jack, Andy, David,

Gee you guys !! "Thank you" This certainly seems to confirm the McMillan end of things. I have already done a IGI search for a John Murdoch born in Gorbals c1826 and have one possible candidate born on the 03Jul1825, parents are James Murdoch and Margaret Nesbit. There are two others born in Gorbals as well a year or two later. So, given the suggestion to try to track down any siblings (via the same parents listed) and hopefully the census I should be able to track down John' mum and dad. Thanks again !

Heatherv

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:05 pm

Hi Heather,
I've added the census details to the previous post.
They were ALL as born in the County in 1841, but this doesn't match what's said in 1851.
The 1841 index has mother Jane as SELKING, but the page entry could quite easily be SELCRAG,
which is very similar to mother's name on James MURDOCH's 1850 birth!!
And the surname McMILLAN may have been McMILLEN (with an 'E') in 1841; difficult to be certain.

Jack
--
ps - like Davie, curious to know! - who were the various informants on the DCs?

HeatherV · Post by **HeatherV** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:28 am

Thank you very much again for your ideas and assistance. One thing does appear to be obvious - Jane (Jean) McMillan's mum and dad were likely James McMillan and Jane(Jean) Selkirk (or var. Selking - Selcraig).
John is a puzzle.

Informant information listed on the death registration :

John Murdoch : d. 08 Sep 1868, 54 East Hamilton St., Greenock
Parents : John Murdoch - Jane Selkirk
Informant : John Bickford, Storekeeper, 34 East Hamilton St., Greenock
(odd that his wife did not report his death ??)

Jane McMillan d. 19Aug 1884, 4 Cartsburn St., Greenock
Parents : James McMillan - Jane Selkirk
Informant : Archibald Murdoch, Son

I think the best approach for John Murdoch is to try to find any by the same name - general time period - and possible siblings by the same parents and see if I can find a death certificate + parents ..

Best Regards to all,

Heatherv