Please Help With Missing Death.....

[cruiser]

I have Jane Duncan married Thomas Yule on 13/9/1872 in Dundee. I have the Marriage Cert. They had 2 sons David in 1873 and William in 1875. Thomas was found dead at Dunblane Railway Station in 1883 and his death cert says he was the widower of Jane Duncan. Neither Jane nor Thomas appear on the 1881 census anywhere. Both of the boys do. One living with his grandmother and the other in hospital. I cannot find the death of Jane recorded anywhere in Scotland or England. What can I do next?

[DavidWW]

I have Jane Duncan married Thomas Yule on 13/9/1872 in Dundee. I have the Marriage Cert. They had 2 sons David in 1873 and William in 1875. Thomas was found dead at Dunblane Railway Station in 1883 and his death cert says he was the widower of Jane Duncan. Neither Jane nor Thomas appear on the 1881 census anywhere. Both of the boys do. One living with his grandmother and the other in hospital. I cannot find the death of Jane recorded anywhere in Scotland or England. What can I do next?

Cruiser

Have you only searched on the basis of "Jane", or have you tried variants such as Jean and Jean[n]ie?

Worth a try on scotlandspeople.gov.uk using just "J", as the search engine assumes a wildcard, i.e. it takes "J" as being "J*". Make sure that you select "Female", otherwise you will pick up John, James, etc., etc.

Might be worth waiting a few weeks, as there is going to be an upgrade of the scotlandspeople.gov.uk site that may well include the new on-line possibility of a cross-check search for a married female death on the basis of her maiden and married surname(s) (this has always been the case with the search engine on the system at New Register in Edinburgh), but please realise that you are at the mercy of the informant in terms of the info that they supplied, and the indexer of the register in terms of correctly picking up and indexing the various surnames ..........

Davie

[cruiser]

Thanks very much for that. Whilst on the subject, I believe Thomas committed suicide, where would I find an official report or newspaper article?

[DavidWW]

Thanks very much for that. Whilst on the subject, I believe Thomas committed suicide, where would I find an official report or newspaper article?

Unlikely that there was more than a brief investigation by the Procurator Fiscal to confirm the circumstances and cause of death.

If you examine the 1883 death register entry you will see an annotation in the LH column referring to the "Result of a Precognition" and an entry in the RCE, - Register of Corrected Entries, - this will be the transcription of a single page report from the PF. You have a choice, - pay £10 now for an "extract", a formal copy of the death register entry, and the text of the RCE should be typed on the back; or wait a few weeks/months when the linked digitised images of the RCE will come on line at scotlandspeople.gov.uk............

It's unlikely that any material from the PF's office from that time has survived, or from the Sheriif Court if it went to a formal hearing.

For further info on that and for info the newspapers likely to have been involved; go back to the www.talkingscot.com index page, and, under the Local Studies Libraries heading, look for the details of the libraries in Perthshire (Dunblane) and Dundee, and make contact with them in the first instance.

wkr

Davie

[cruiser]

Many many thanks for all your help. I have found the SP site invaluable in searching from England but sometimes one needs a little extra!!

[DavidWW]

Many many thanks for all your help. I have found the SP site invaluable in searching from England but sometimes one needs a little extra!!

My pleasure !!

Orraverybest

Davie

[cruiser]

Just an update. I got the newspaper cutting from the A K Bell library! It was grand to actually read about it especially as it was a bit weird the way he did it! Poor chap. Thanks a lot.

[DavidWW]

Just an update. I got the newspaper cutting from the A K Bell library! It was grand to actually read about it especially as it was a bit weird the way he did it! Poor chap. Thanks a lot.

Nae prob, glad to have been of help!

Any chance of a scan and sending it by email to davidwwebster@compuserve.com ?

As high quality a scan as possible, please, no less than 300dpi, greyscale, preferably a TIFF, would be greatly appreciated. No problem at my end, as I have broadband. If you don't have broadband, then email me, and we'll sort out how else to do it.

Thanks

Orraverybest

Davie

[ladybird]

Hi Davie
Would you be interested in a newspaper article on a rather nasty death at the Ferguslie Mill in Paisley
My Robina Townsend came to something of a sticky end in 1891
Sylvia

[DavidWW]

Hi Davie
Would you be interested in a newspaper article on a rather nasty death at the Ferguslie Mill in Paisley
My Robina Townsend came to something of a sticky end in 1891
Sylvia

Hi Sylvia

Without withing in any way to sound morbid, yes please

Thanks

Orraverybest

Davie