Help Where is her Mother?.....

[joette]

The 1861 Census has helped me to locate my Paternal GGGGreat Grandfather.He was living close to his daughter & family as a widower so I thought great find his death certificate & find his parents names.Which I have BUT the Death has him of widower of Janet Liddle which is the name his daughter gave to her elder daughter but no mention of Ann Craik who
I know is his Daughters Mother as that is on her death certificate.
Her sister is called Janet Veitch so I presumed that is why she called her Janet & not Ann.Now I am wondering are the OPR records wrong? Did her Mother die young? Is Janet a half sister & daughter of Janet Liddle.Would you call your eldest child after your step-mother rather than your own dead mother?Also he is listed as Lanarkshire born when I was expecting Eddlestone where his Daughters Helen & Janet are listed as born to him & Ann Craik & where Helen & John Scott were married.Informants on both Deaths are John Scott so I suppose he could have got it wrong.Can find no marriage for Janet l/John Veitch nor Death for her.Have found a marriage for John Veitch/Janet Liddell in Temple Midlothian in 1827 its an extraction on IGI which was out yesterday I presume because of the 1861 Census.So Helen was about 12 when they married & just a coincidence that her sister is called Janet?
Any thoughts anybody-PPPPPPPPPPPPPlease

[isobelc]

Hi Joette,

John Veitch married Janet Liddell on 27th November 1827 at Temple Midlothian.

In 1841 what looks to be the right family are living at Mount Lothian, Penicuik.
John Veitch 40, Ag labourer, born outside census county
Janet Veitch 30 born Midlothian
Helen Veitch 20 born outside census county
Robert Scott 20 born outside census county
Elizabeth McFarlane 14 born Midlothian

Only anomoly is that Robert and Helen would have been just married as they marrried at the end of May and the census was taken 6th June., so Helen should have been listed as Scott rather than Veitch.Helen and Robert's first child was born at Glencorse in November 1841 and Glencorse is just on the edge of Penicuik.

It may be that Ann Craik died when Helen was very young and her father remarried. She would have been only 9 when he married Janet Liddell and may have looked on her as her mother - hence the naming of her eldest daughter after her.

Elizabeth McFarlane appears to be the daughter of Duncan McFarlane and Janet Veitch who married at Glencorse in 1826. Is this Helen's sister?

Hope this helps,
Isobel (Edinburgh)

[joette]

Thank you so much for this.I didnt sleep much last night trying to work out this puzzle.
This is how I figure it now John Veitch born circa1799 in Crawfordmuir Lanark.He marries Ann Craik in 1814??-would make him very young but??? They have Janet born 1812? & then Helen 1818.Ann dies after this or there is an abandonment but think this is unlikely but again might explain the naming of Helens Daughter.He marries Janet Liddell who seems to have had no children although may have been elsewhere.
Yes Janet is her sister I think but would have been very young when Elizabeth was born -I know they rounded ages up in Census so she may have been younger.They also got Helens Husbands name wrong he is John.I am convinced this them as I knew they had married just before the Census- why the heck did they return to Eddlestone for the marriage?Maybe Helen had Craik relatives there.Anyway John Scott & Helen Veitch live in Glencorse for the rest of their lives with John Veitch living close by until his death in 1872.

[isobelc]

Hi Joette,
Apologies - the error is mine. The census does say John Scott.
Isobel

[joette]

May I be really cheeky & ask for the info you have on Duncan/Janet especially if it gives her place of Birth but it will probably say outside the Census area.Do you have 1851? Could you look for her there? Ive tried to search for her Death to clarify parents with no luck & she is still alive 1856 according to Ramsay Wardlaw McFarlanes marriage cert.in 1856- he is youngest child so should be there 1841 & 1851.
Helen Veitch/John Scott youngest was called Duncan I now know where the Duncan came from he was also a Mason like his cousin Ramsay when he died aged 19 of typhiod.

[isobelc]

Hi Joette,

I don't have any info on these other than what is available in online sources. Couldn't initially find the McFarlane family in 1841 but by searching for individuals with first name Ramsay I finally found them under McFarlin. They were at Milton Bridge Glencross(glencorse) Family comprised Duncan McFarlin ,35, Labourer born outside Midlothian; Janet McFarlin 35 born outside Midlothian; John McFarlin 12 born Midlothian; Ramsay McFarlin 7 born Midlothian and Wiliam Symington 30 Ag Labourer born Midlothian.

Can't see any obvious deaths for Janet Veitch/McFarlane.

Regards,
Isobel (Edinburgh)

[joette]

Thanks for that Isobel-what online info though? I am begining to suspect that she is Johns sister & therefore Helen's Aunt. Unless he was a very precosiuos wee boy & given a bit of leeway for ages it would make him about 9 when she was born. Only problem is the only children I can find for Johns Parents on the OPR are James & Sara.
I cant find any Death info or Birth of Grandchildren so making a huge leap I am suspecting they emigrated to Australia. The reason for this is that we have in our possession some family photos we couldnt identify one of which is an elderly lady dressed in some style from a Sydney Photographer I think it says 1865 which is when I am presuming the studio was established & not when the photo was taken.
Milton Cottages is where all the Helen Veitch/John Scott children were born.
Thanks again.