looking for the death of John Cameron.....

AlanMC · Post by **AlanMC** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:17 pm

Having a right old time trying to find the death of John Cameron.
Facts.
He was born in Edinburgh Parish 14 July 1821, Married Mary Stevenson from Cardross on 12 Dec 1845.
I can trace the family from 1849 to 1871, when John disappears from view. The business of John Cameron & Co Coppersmiths & Brass Founders (Glasgow) disappears 1869, on the 1871 census Mary is listed as a Coppersmiths Wife no sign of John.
On the marriage of one of his sons (Malcolm) 1875 he is still alive, on the marriage of another son (George) 1878 he is deceased.
So I do know that he died between July 1875 and September 1878, but where. I have looked at a lot of John Cameron deaths between these dates but no luck.
Surely I can rule out the army as he would have been over 50, any other thoughts out there?
I would love to nail down the death of John. He is not in the Eastern Necropolis (he owned two lairs there, his father and most of his children are there. Mary is buried in Dumbarton died 1879, so I know after John's death she goes back to family in the Dumbarton area.

Help my hair is nearly all gone (pulling out in clumps) lol.
Did he go down South? overseas? or as I think to some shipyard further down the Clyde.

Alan.

Alcluith · Post by **Alcluith** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:03 pm

Alan,

Maybe pursue the closure of the business.
There may be some information at the Mitchell Library or at Glasgow University Archives, they are very helpful but you need to make an appointment to visit them.
http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/default.html.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:16 pm

Hi Alan

So I do know that he died between July 1875 and September 1878

I know this maybe sounds a bit over-cautions, but I was caught out by this one once - believing what it said on a marriage entry that a parent was still alive at the time of the marriage of a child, and deceased by the next marriage of a child. I spent a lot of time and a small fortune trying to track the person down, only in the end having to come to the conclusion that they must have died before 1855.... at least there is hope and "before 1855" seems unlikley in your case but if it were me, I'd still be keeping my options open on the "time window" just incase!

Best wishes
Lesley

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:23 pm

Alan

This sounds like one of the situations where it's not practical in terms of the costs involved with such a frequently occurring combination of given name and surname to seek further the record on www.ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk

Instead, it's necessary to visit NRH in Edinburgh, or Park Circus in Glasgow, or one of a number of other locations around Scotland with access to the DIGROS system, or engage someone to do that on your behalf, in order that the possible records can be viewed at a much lower cost ..........

David

Alcluith · Post by **Alcluith** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:20 am

Alan,

Have read your post a couple of times. The business disappears in 1869 and presumably Mary is the Head on 1871 census and it stated she is wife not widow. Could John have been ill and hospitalised some distance from home (Seaside or Highlands). There are over 50 John Camerons in the 1871 census within the correct age range maybe look for any that are in hospitals etc.
Malcolm's marriage cert could be wrong therefore widen the search for death from 1869 to 1878 and also possibly outside the area.

As David said a visit to NRH would be most cost effective.

AlanMC · Post by **AlanMC** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:07 am

Alcluith wrote:Alan,

Have read your post a couple of times. The business disappears in 1869 and presumably Mary is the Head on 1871 census and it stated she is wife not widow. Could John have been ill and hospitalised some distance from home (Seaside or Highlands). There are over 50 John Camerons in the 1871 census within the correct age range maybe look for any that are in hospitals etc.
Malcolm's marriage cert could be wrong therefore widen the search for death from 1869 to 1878 and also possibly outside the area.

As David said a visit to NRH would be most cost effective.

Hi all, Alcluith you are right about the 1871 census having Mary as head of household and as the wife not widow. Good idea that he may be hospitalised, I look into that.
I had started looking for the death from 1869 right up to 1879, with a lot of deaths of John Cameron, I have looked at them all both on-line and at Park Circus.
Thnaks for all the tips.

Alan

Alcluith · Post by **Alcluith** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:33 pm

Alan,

I think your best way forward is to find him on the 1871 census, that will tell you if he is in the UK or on board a vessel, or if not found possibly gone overseas. Maybe he died outside Scotland? especially if you cannot find a DC also the fact that he is not interned in the family plots( or mentioned) would suggest that he was not in Scotland when he died? presumably they could have had his body brought home? back to army, Navy or family feud!