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PBMuir · Post by **PBMuir** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:28 pm

Can anyone help me with tracing my husband's family? His great-grandfather James Muir was born circa 1863 in Glasgow (don't know district). Parents James Muir and Janet Muir nee Dobson who both died before 1900. Can't find anything on FREECEN or ScotlandsPeople. Can anyone help? Have managed to find lots of other branches of the family but have hit brick wall with these.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:24 pm

Hi PBMuir
...and a warm welcome to Talking Scot

A few questions - where did you find the information that James was born in Glasgow? Where did you find his parent's names? ...and, one more...have you seen the family on any census?

Best wishes
Lesley

PBMuir · Post by **PBMuir** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:34 pm

Hi, thanks for replying so quickly. I got James's place of birth from the 1901 Selkirk Census and his marriage/death certs, which is where I got the names of his parents. Have started to wonder if they wern't married or maybe came from Ireland ... but where do I go from here?

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:48 pm

Hi PB
I'd be tempted to track to track him back on the census - 1891, 1881, 1871 etc. I'd be looking at the places of birth of all family members. especially any brothers & sisters to see where they were born - and the parents, especially if you suspect there may be an Irish connection. The census might also give you some indication as to when the parents died.

I would agree that going on the parents' names there does not seem to be anything obvious on the IGI....

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:48 pm

Hi PB
I've pulled a few Jameses out of a hat in the 1881 here! There are quite a number who would seem to fit without knowing a bit more about the family, it is difficult to know... of course he may have left home by 1881 - there are also quite a few James Muirs as boarders. Jean/Jean/Jessie are pretty much interchangeable and the surname could turn up as any variation - Moir, Moore etc.

What was James' occupation in the 1901?

Dwelling: 99 East Milton St
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203650 GRO Ref Volume 644-6 EnumDist 54 Page 10

James MUIR M 49 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Carter
Jessie MUIR M 47 F Old Monkland
Rel: Wife
James MUIR U 20 M Renfrew, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Iron Moulder
Margaret MUIR M 23 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Peter MUIR 15 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Message Boy
Agnes MUIR 11 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Jessie MUIR 8 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Walter MUIR 3 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Grdson

Dwelling: Janefield Brick Wks
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203634 GRO Ref Volume 644-2 EnumDist 46 Page 2

Jas. MOORE W 48 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Brick Field Labourer
Jas. (Jnr) MOORE U 19 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Carter
Jane MOORE U 18 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Weaver
Sophia MOORE U 15 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Weaver

Dwelling: Drumpark Garbraid 5
Census Place: Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203698 GRO Ref Volume 652-1 EnumDist 10 Page 40

James MUIR M 50 M Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Engine Keeper At Coal Pit
Janet MUIR M 50 F Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Engine Keeper At Coal Pits Wife
James MUIR U 21 M Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Engine Keeper At Coal Pit
June MUIR 11 F Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: General Serv (Dom)
William MUIR 16 M Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Labourer At Coal Pit
Janet MUIR 10 F Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
John MUIR 8 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar

Dwelling: 137 Broad St
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203634 GRO Ref Volume 644-2 EnumDist 38 Page 4

Jean MUIR W 57 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Winder
James MUIR U 18 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Carpet Weaver
Mary LANARGAN W 40 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Sister
Occ: Winder

Dwelling: 257 Main St
Census Place: Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203612 GRO Ref Volume 622-1 EnumDist 2 Page 28

James MUIR M 47 M New Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Accountants Clerk
Jane MUIR M 45 F Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Wife
James MUIR U 18 M Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Drysalters Clerk
Jeanie Gillies MUIR U 16 F Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Dressmaker
Mary D.R. MUIR 12 F Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
John MUIR 10 M Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Annie MUIR 8 F Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Andrew R. MUIR 5 M Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar

Any look likely?
Best wishes
Lesley

PBMuir · Post by **PBMuir** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:43 pm

Many thanks for all the info: I think the one in green font seems the most likely one as the parents are James & Janet Muir. I will try and look for proof.

Our James's occupation in 1901 was "pedlar" (scored out) and overwritten with mill worker. He and his wife had been all over the Lowlands (pedlars) before they settled in Selkirk.

PBMuir · Post by **PBMuir** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:43 pm

Doesn't seem to be any of the ones on the 1881 census. Maybe I will have to give up! Have spent a fortune on ScotlandsPeople and it's so frustrating!

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:53 pm

Hi folks,
The 2nd "green" couple would appear to be James MUIR & Janet WOOD
Married 21 May 1854, Bothwell (IGI submission)
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They are in the 1861 Old Monkland census.
James MUIR 30, b Bothwell, LKS
Janet 30, b Bathgate, WLN
Archibald 3, b Airdrie, LKS
James 1, b Calderbank, LKS
--
Jack
ps, oops - i see you already know!!

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:37 pm

Hi PB

Doesn't seem to be any of the ones on the 1881 census.

that was only a small selection of those who were still with parents who looked like they might fit in - there were more Jameses!

When did your James marry? And to whom? The 1891 might be better to try to find first - 1881 is maybe a bit of a leap of faith!

Best wishes
Lesley

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:41 am

Hi everyone

I'm not surprised if you've spent a fortune on SP....this is not an easy lot!

I hope you've noticed in your searching several things. First off James is not named as the father of Janet and William. Second off they (James and Mary) lied about their marriage date on the BC of John...but they did get married... in the Roman Catholic Church in 1900! I'm questioning the 1901 census stated birthplace of James! If his mother was a DOBSON that name certainly jumps out of all the records as Selkirk or Peebles area. The occupation of Woolen Mill Worker etc also rates right up there in all the DOBSON families I've looked at.

I'm still looking but if James is found I'm suspecting it will not be in Glasgow......I'd like to say that he may have been illegitimate himself and not born a MUIR but that is total speculation and can't be proven right now so DON'T QUOTE ME

!!!!!

Best wishes
Jean

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