Birth details wanted on Jessie GARDNER (nee RUSSELL).....

prettypolly · Post by **prettypolly** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:48 am

Can anyone help me with details of date of birth of Jessie GARDNER (nee RUSSELL) born ?in Airdrie to parents - Alexander and Marion RUSSELL (nee LAIDLAW). Jessie died 26 May 1881 at 29 Hallcraig Street, Airdrie aged 63 - widow of James GARDNER. Her children at the time were ? Jane 28, James 26, Janet 24 and Elizabeth 21.

I would like to know names of any siblings Jessie had if possible. Thank you.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:07 am

Hi Pretty Polly
...and welcome to Talking Scot

We don't really deal with very recent persons - some of Jessie's siblings may still be alive and we certainly do not deal with the living on this forum (present company excepted!

) Maybe one or two of our links here may of some help?
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5576

Otherwise you may need to pay a visit to New Register House in Edinburgh, or have someone go there for you, or contact them directly for her birth entry.
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/

Best wishes
Lesley

Tom-W · Post by **Tom-W** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:39 am

One route would be to locate the family in the 1841 census or later. I had a quick look on the 1841 on Ancestry but couldn't find an Alexander & Marion. Do you have Jessies marriage certificate and if so, are her parents listed as deceased?

Tom

prettypolly · Post by **prettypolly** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:40 am

Thank you Lesley for your quick reply and advice. Perhaps I assumed there would be no living relatives given the given time. I will certainly consider contacting the Register House in Edinburgh for details.

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:02 pm

Hi PrettyPolly

None of the names you give has come up on IGI and I wondered where you got your info from/

Do you have Jessie's Death Certificate and/or Marriage certificate?
Was her marriage outside the Established Church of Scotland?

I'm looking for an explanation of why nothing is showing in the usual quick search sources.

Have you looked for her birth on the Old Parochial Records either on LDS films or on scotlandspeople?

We are looking for various families in Coatbridge/Airdrie/Monkland around that time and some are quite hard to find.
If you can locate one it should be possible to find the others. It may be a different spelling of the names or possibly religious difference meaning the records are not yet available.

Russell

prettypolly · Post by **prettypolly** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:05 pm

Thank you Tom-W for your assistance. No, I do not have Jessie's marriage certificate. All I know is that both Jessie's parents were deceased at the time of Jessie's death in 1881.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:24 pm

Oh whoops - sorry, folks

And many, many apologies Polly.

I read 1881 as 1981 - my only excuse is that it was a "pre-coffee" post...my apologies...

I'll go get the caffiene organised!!

Best wishes
Lesley

prettypolly · Post by **prettypolly** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:38 pm

Hello Russell. I do not have Jessie's original death certificate in my possession. This information has been passed on to me - that her parents Alexander Russel, handloom weaver and Marion Laidlaw, were deceased at the time. Information given to Registrar by: James Gardner, son.

On the marriage certificate of Jessie's daughter Marion GARDNER to Alexander THOMSON it refers to her mother as Janet GARDINER ms RUSSELL and the Minister of the Free Church of Scotland, Dalziel, Motherwell.

Another thing also, somewhere I remember I saw the name RUSSELL spelt RUFSEL.

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:49 pm

Hello Prettypolly

The names Jessie and Janet are interchangeable.

See http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html

Also it was common practice in the 19th century to spell names with 2 "S's" in them as "fs"

If you take a look at www.Familysearch.org and search for the birth of Janet, you will find that she was born in 1855. The magical year.......lots of info on this birth cert

If this is the correct Janet!!!!

If you then get this birth cert from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk you will be off to a good start..
Jean

prettypolly · Post by **prettypolly** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:50 pm

Thank you Lesley for your illustrated explanation. I am pleased my entry has new meaning for you. Best wishes - Prettypolly. I look forward to being an active member of TalkingScot.