catholic marriage.....

derekfrom france · Post by **derekfrom france** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:39 pm

hi i have 2 birth certifs on these it gives the marriage date of the parents
1876+1879 but no trace on scotpeople my question as they were more than likely catholic where would i look for the info
cheers derek

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:27 pm

Hi Derek,

From 1855, any regular marriage or irregular marriage declared in Scotland should by law have been registered, and hence for that era should be available on ScotlandsPeople.

Have you searched using wildcards to allow for variations of spelling? The marriage dates on birth certificates are not always the same as you eventually find a marriage certificate for. Have you tried some leeway on the marriage year?

The issue of not being able to find a marriage because it was likely to have been in the Catholic Church (or some other church, other than Church of Scotland) is normally from the pre-1855 era.

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **paddyscar** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:08 am

Hi Derek:

There is an adage that says the second child takes 9 months, but the first child can arrive anytime! It may be wise to expand the date on the marriage to include +/- 2 years. That, along with Andrew's suggestion for wildcards may produce a result.

Frances

mallog · Post by **mallog** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:09 am

That was the case with one of mine. I searched and searched for a marriage for one of my snobby lot and I eventually found it much later than I expected

Rab · Post by **Rab** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:53 pm

I had a couple born in the 1860s who I could not find a marriage for. From the census I noted that the lady's name changed between 1881 and 1891. That gave me a rough date but I still could not find the marriage anywhere I looked.

The couple lived in Scotland up until 1905 when they then emigrated to America. It was one of those brick walls I just conceded I would never scale. By chance I found a descendant of the couple and they had the marriage certificate.

It turned out although they lived in Scotland until 1905 they actually married in America in 1886. If I hadn't had this piece of luck I'd still be wasting time and credits to this day on the odd occassion. I don't know how common this was but if you can't find the marriage in Scotland they may have married elsewhere.

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:54 pm

hi i have 2 birth certifs on these it gives the marriage date of the parents
1876+1879 but no trace on scotpeople my question as they were more than likely catholic where would i look for the info
cheers derek

I have the same problem, only with four birth certs, giving the marriage in 1862.
Susan Paterson and Finlay McNaughton.
No sign of a marriage, other than on the IGI.
I have searched in Edinburgh and on SP.
Not Catholic.
I cannot find any record of his Father's marriage either.
John McNaughton to Mararet McFarlane
c 1815

Davie

Post by **AndrewP** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:14 pm

Hi Davie,

An LDS submission places this marriage in Drymen on 27-Jun-1862. On doing a IGI batch search of M114771, no marriage of this couple is to be found. Does it look like this submission could have been based on the data on the birth certificates? I see the normally tolerant spelling of the online IGI does not link McNaughtan with McNaughton. The submission is under the surnames spelt as McNaughtan and Patterson.

The mystery remains as to the whereabouts of any marriage certiicate. Do the birth certificates give any indication of a church name, or just the more usual town or village name? Maybe it was an irregular marriage that was never legally declared, and hence no certificate issued.

All the best,

AndrewP

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:31 pm

Thanks Andrew,
On the birth certs of the children.
The marriage is given at Corrie, in Drymen, 1862.
The LDS listing was a guid find.
Where they got that info. amazes me
An irregular marriage is a thought.
Do you know when the earliest record of one was performed?
The family lived in the same area for over 60 years with six different spellings
Still learning on the IGI.
As I said, I could never find his Father's record either.
Have all the children.

Davie

Rab · Post by **Rab** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:19 pm

Irregular marriage sounds familiar. My paternal grandmother's mum had her marriage date, 1910, on all her children's birth certificates but that marriage certificate is not to be found. At least we knew that the marriage never occurred. Interestingly though on one birth she is listed as "formerly" suggesting she had been previously married. That is another marriage not to be found but I don't know for sure about that one.