Illigitimate Child

ROY M · Post by **ROY M** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:27 am

Can anyone help with the rules for registering a child in Scotland in 1866.If the father of a child died before the child was born would the mother have to register it as illigitimate. The child is registered as Martin(fathers name) or Hodge(mothers maiden name). This is the same on the death certificate as the child only lived for 11 weeks.
The mother is a widow on the birth and death certificates and the last date I can find that shows the husband was alive is in the 1861 census. I cannot find a death for the father but I suspect he did not die in Scotland.
I do not think this is the child of someone else she met after her husbands death as all the records show she lived on her own or with one of her other children until she died in 1911.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Roy

Post by **marilyn morning** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:40 am

Hello Roy,

A very warm welcome to TalkingScot!

We appreciate your question, but it would be most helpful, if you could post the full names of this family, whom you are searching for.

Regards
Marilyn Morning

ROY M · Post by **ROY M** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:54 am

Hello Marilyn
Sorry its my first post, the childs name was Walter Martin or Hodge, the mother was Sarah Ann Martin m.s. Hodge and her husbands name was Mitchell Martin.
You all seem to have the names you are researching at the bottom of your posts can you do this with the signature box?
Many Thanx
Roy

Post by **Ina** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:58 am

Hi Roy,

Welcome to talkingscot.

You can place the names you are researching in the signature box in your profile. They will then appear at the bottom of all of your posts.

Happy searching.

Ina

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:09 am

I have a couple of births for children whose fathers died before they were born. One has the father's name but does not state that he is deceased. The other has the father's name, deceased, and the date of his death on the certificate.

I have another certificate of an illigitimate birth that occurred while the mother was actually still married. Clearly the husband was not the father of the child.

Nina

Post by **emanday** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:18 am

One of my rellies gave birth to a son four months after the death of her husband. The birth was registered in the normal manner. He was registered with his father's surname.

If your rellie was registered with both the husband and the mother's names as alternate surnames, perhaps the registrar was not satisfied that the husband was still alive within the nine months preceding the birth. Maybe the mother did not have a death certificate for him.

I found a marriage for a couple with those exact names on IGI for 31st December 1846, but could not find a death for Mitchell, the father.

ROY M · Post by **ROY M** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:30 am

Thanx Ina, Nina and Mary for the quick replies.
Mitchells death is a mystery, he was a gunmaker and seemed to travel a lot and I suspect he may have died in England. I'll have to keep looking.

Post by **marilyn morning** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:51 am

Hello Roy,

I just reviewed the birth record for "Walter Martin" b. 11 June 1866 on Scotlandspeople and I went back for the death, but sorry my credits have expired

The details I can share with you is that the birth record of Walter lists his last name as "Martin." And yes, he was also listed as "illigitmate" His mother's name is "Sarah Ann Martin" a.k.a. MS Hodge (widow)

For future reference, if you've viewed a record on Scotlandspeople, please inform us of doing so and we can next reach for the next level.

I'm not sure if this information helps or hinders your research?

Regards
Marilyn Morning

gzmcwherter · Post by **gzmcwherter** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:12 am

Hello
There is a listing of a death for a Mitchell Martin which was registered in the 1st quarter of 1865 in freeBMD (freebmd.rootsweb.com).
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
MARTIN Mitchell Kensington 1a 43

You will have to order the certificate to see if he is yours.
Regards,
Gina

ROY M · Post by **ROY M** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:18 am

Hi Gina
Thank for the excellent help with Mitchell. I had never seen the freebmd site, it's really good. I've got the codes and ordered the certificate from GRO this morning. I hope it's him.